FLIK Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 I didn't do a count, but Breaks looks to have had more titles than Saint. Marty Jones had a shit load too and in my view was probably the best of the name workers from England. Both should be on the ballot. http://www.wrestlingheritage.co.uk/saintandbreaks.htm Awesomeness “That’s nonsense,” quipped the champion, “there’s no comparison. How can you start to compare me, Jim Breaks, the British champion, with Saint? You’re talking nonsense. Alright, so Saint held the title for a few months, that was just a ‘flash in the pan.’ He was very lucky, and remember, I took the title off him at Belle Vue, and that’s his local hall.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Cool find Flik. Dave Musgrave and I just did a quick show on the Observer HoF results. I'll post it over in the Wrestling Culture thread when the link is ready. Audio may be bit off, but it's brief show by our standards (bout 57 minutes) that I think people would enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSR Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Very happy to see that Kent Walton got elected. With all the talk over Johnny Saint recently I was already to go on a tirade about how on earth can people vote for Saint, yet NOT vote for Walton. No need whatsoever now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 So McAdam seems to have deleted his "walk off" post. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 How the hell is Jerry Jarrett not in? What is the argument against him? Is the voting committee stocked with Memphis vets still mad about their $25 payoffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 That's the only explanation I can come up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Jarrett not being in amazes me as well. I'll vote for him every time until he gets in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 On the subject of promoters not in the Hall, could somebody explain to me the knock against Don Owen? I'm no expert at all, but wasn't he the promoter of Portland Wrestling for a million years, during which time the territory was always pretty successful, except for a few years here and there and at the end? I'm guessing he wasn't responsible for much of the booking. Anyway, I've always been curious because he's never pimped very heavily and I don't know the history of Portland very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 OK, so i'm trusting it's going to be all smooth sailing for Johnny Saint next year now that he won't be the very first Euro guy to get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 OK, so i'm trusting it's going to be all smooth sailing for Johnny Saint next year now that he won't be the very first Euro guy to get in. Smooth sailing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Does anyone know who pimped Buddy Rose to get him on the ballot next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 OK, so i'm trusting it's going to be all smooth sailing for Johnny Saint next year now that he won't be the very first Euro guy to get in. 39% under a huge glut of guys who got 40's and 50's - three of whom are fellow Brits - doesn't really sound like smooth sailing. Unless there's a change in his resume in the next year, he's probably gonna have a rocky road ahead of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Todd Martin voiced his disappointment on how Dave handled (or didnt handle) the Dr Wagner Jr/Sr screw up half way or so into his show on the site with Bryan. Nothing new & almost word for word what people here said. His email about it to Dave got no sold too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Dave handled it by putting Sr back on the ballot next year. It's a round about way to deal with it. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Lots of interesting stuff on the recent Observer show w Bruce Mitchell From Bruce - admitted that he wasn't that familiar with Kent Walton but voted for him anyways due to how long he was around - doesn't think the R&R express belong in - does think Brock belongs in and is going to count his MMA career in his favor From Alvarez - He used to vote for R&R Express and Murdoch but over time started thinking they weren't as influential as he first thought and now he no longer votes either. From Meltzer - Was really surprised Iakea got in, for some reason didn't think that many people read the bio he did after his passing - William's got in largely thanks to support from Japan, said over 90% of the Japanese voters voted for him - Isn't sure if he's going to count Brock's MMA stuff or not, said ppl will have to make up their own minds. Doesn't think Brock has a strong case without it though. He brought up that Brock does still draw a lot of wrestling fans only it's to see him in UFC instead. - Doesn't think Buddy Rose will get much support next year - Think's if any non WWE guy from this generation will ever get in it'll be Tanahashi but thinks now is too soon. - Moolah was going to be in the original class of the HOF but he got talked out of putting her in - He voted Edge and will every year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Buddy won't get support because Dave won't go to bat for him and there aren't enough voters who are familiar with his strengths for him to have a chance any other way. I understand the arguments against him, but I don't think very many people will even explore his positives. It doesn't help that Matt Farmer who is from the Pacific Northwest has told me flat out that he wouldn't vote for Buddy. I'm puzzled by the RnR stuff. The Brock stuff I find comical. I think he will definitely get a push from Dave. The idea of Brock getting in when JYD can't even get on the ballot is pretty laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Not that I'm not preaching to the choir with a Luger > Brock argument at this board, but I was reading some 1990 WONs today in preparation for the 1990 yearbook that I found interesting. It's pretty known that Flair and Luger drew well in 1988. But the same was true immediately following Wrestle War '90. There was a spike in gates that was strong enough to make them think they had turned a corner. Luger never sustained as a draw, probably because people got tired of waiting on him to win, but there is a consistent theme -- when people thought he was about to win the title, they showed up. Luger is not a HOF candidate, but looking at accomplishments in wrestling, he was a bigger star for a longer period of time, and you can point to more cases where he moved the needle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Luger isn't an HoF candidate because he's Lex Luger. I'm not saying he should be in or even on the ballot (though I tend to support more people on the ballot in general). But Luger is the kind of guy that you almost don't want on the ballot if you are a fan of pushing the "was a big star for a long time in a big promotion" talking point as something strong for a candidacy. He's not Sid Vicious who is typically loathed by smart fans, but he's not a favorite either. And yet he fits that bill and has a more clear case (or at least as good a case) as an impact on drawing that some others guys who have been talked up and advocated for (Edge, Jericho, Sting, Angle, arguably Michaels and Taker). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 From Alvarez - He used to vote for R&R Express (.....) but over time started thinking they weren't as influential as he first thought and now he no longer votes either. Hum... what ? Seriously, the R&R Express aren't in already ? What a complete joke this entire thing is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 From Alvarez - He used to vote for R&R Express (.....) but over time started thinking they weren't as influential as he first thought and now he no longer votes either. Hum... what ? Seriously, the R&R Express aren't in already ? What a complete joke this entire thing is. Great that you've took the time to understand why they arent in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Well what are the reasons why the best tag team in US wrestling history, one that drew money to boot, aren't in ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Well what are the reasons why the best tag team in US wrestling history, one that drew money to boot, aren't in ? As they only drew in one major territory for a limited amount of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 As they only drew in one major territory for a limited amount of time.Wait, what? They drew for Crockett, Watts, and on a regional basis for Smoky Mountain, over a time period from 1984 to 1994. Also, they spawned a bunch of copycat tag teams, which makes Alvarez's influential claim laughable, especially since he clearly influenced Alvarez's favorite wrestler ever. And there's also the point that Ricky Morton is probably the best working pure babyface of the 80's, and one of the top five best working babyfaces of all time (which makes it especially comical that WCW turned him heel in 1991). There is a stronger case for the RnR than anybody on next year's ballot other than Cena, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Well what are the reasons why the best tag team in US wrestling history, one that drew money to boot, aren't in ? As they only drew in one major territory for a limited amount of time. Yes, because everyone else in the HOF drew in multiple places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Not my Hall of Fame lads. The Hall of Fame itself has been around for a long time now and the arguments why certain acts are and arent in are as old as the hills. The Murdochs and Rock n Rolls are such yearly footballs of discussion I am just taken a back on a forum like this that someone doesnt know their status and the generalised reasoning they havent made it in. I should have said "really drew" not just simply "drew" in the previous post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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