khawk20 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Oh God, that would be awesome. No sell the 25 Burning Hammers, pop up, 1 Heart Punch later and you've just trolled a crowd to the point where they might pelt you with garbage. It'd be better if he no-sold the 25 Burning Hammers, then got pinned on an old-fashioned bodyslam or backdrop immediately after no selling the last one, in a "well, shit, I should probably try something different now since the Burning Hammer isn't working" moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Konnan was pretty emphatic on his new weekly podcast that Rey doesn't do (hard) drugs and isn't on juice. Konnan said Rey even told Konnan not to come to his house stoned for Rey's children's sake. Konnan is pushing the dietary supplement explanation citing Rey has issues with his love handles. He framed the defence not as Rey's best friend but as someone who just KNOWS and even acknowledged that he was always sceptical of UFC fighters when they would make similar excuses before this. Konnan further mentioned that WWE knows Rey isn't on anything as they know the true results of the testing. Giving passes to certain Wrestlers all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 If you want some serious heat, use an ether soaked rag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 So Konnan wants us to believe Rey doesn't juice despite all the evidence available because he didn't want Konnan showing up to his house stoned out of his mind? I'll buy that Rey doesn't do party drugs (even if the company he's kept over the years makes that a stretch), but why would a guy who's naturally a buck fifty needing to take weight loss drugs with amphetamines to address issues with his love handles? Are we to believe he just hits the catering table too hard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Yep, I think it's the right time to drop that infamous Konnan quote... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted May 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Agreed. If someone wants to make a pro-Rey argument, the best one is not to argue that he's clean. It's to argue that WWE is leveraging the wellness program to punish him for political reasons, in ways that they would not be doing if the working relationship wasn't strained. The way John Laurinitis communicated the suspension to him shows that they are getting pleasure out of this. It's all an attempt to reduce any leverage he has when he is ready to negotiate a new contract. The wellness program hits him from two sides. It makes him more of a flight risk and someone they can't build around long term, and also, these headlines have a way of eventually hurting someone whose primary drawing power is among children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Yep, I think it's the right time to drop that infamous Konnan quote... You mean the one about how everyone in the business without exception is on something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Yep, I think it's the right time to drop that infamous Konnan quote... You mean the one about how everyone in the business without exception is on something? "Does this make logic?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Yeah, that one. There was also the famous Torch interview when they were both in ECW and right before Konnan went to WCW where Carlos talking about how Rey was a good kid who loved his weed. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Konnan was pretty emphatic on his new weekly podcast that Rey doesn't do (hard) drugs and isn't on juice. Heh, far more interesting to me was Konnan's story that either Mistico or someone in Mistico's posse once pulled a gun on Alberto Del Rio and that apparently footage exist of Teddy Hart teaching cats to do moonsaults in the Hart Dungeon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Konnan was pretty emphatic on his new weekly podcast that Rey doesn't do (hard) drugs and isn't on juice. Heh, far more interesting to me was Konnan's story that either Mistico or someone in Mistico's posse once pulled a gun on Alberto Del Rio and that apparently footage exist of Teddy Hart teaching cats to do moonsaults in the Hart Dungeon. I made my post before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 ROH looked like such a joke tonight with the Ippv problems and that. They shouldn't run a Ippv again. On the most recent Observer Radio, Meltzer mentioned that ROH once got as high as 10,000 viewers back when they were on standard over the air ppv and aparently the most they've ever done on IPPV is 2,300 so why the fuck did they switch????? I know bigger piece of the pie this way and they get to go live as opposed to tape delay like they were before but still, might be worth it to try going back to regular PPV at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Does anyone know what happened with the Jeff Katz Wrestling Retribution Project? I know that they filmed enough for what was supposed to be the first "season" of 13 episodes, but that was back in October and I've never heard of it being released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Yeah, that one. There was also the famous Torch interview when they were both in ECW and right before Konnan went to WCW where Carlos talking about how Rey was a good kid who loved his weed. John This was back in 2003 but on WWE's first Rey DVD there's Rey showing the viewer his "kick-back" room with some sort of wink-wink mention of the ashtrays inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Does anyone know what happened with the Jeff Katz Wrestling Retribution Project? I know that they filmed enough for what was supposed to be the first "season" of 13 episodes, but that was back in October and I've never heard of it being released. It's supposedly going to be on a youtube channel called "Awesomeness TV" that's launching in June, and will then have a DVD release youtube's big thing now is creating channels with original content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Watching to Tori shoot interview, and it always amazes me that those guys who came up even late during the last territory days basically knew tons of people before they made it to the big companies. I had no idea that Tori actually worked as a valet in Portland with Scott Levy, and met Roddy Piper there. She came up with Brian Adams, trained under Brad Rheingans. Pretty fascinating when all of a sudden she pops up in WWF in 1999, that she was basically a part of the family long before. Of course the interview doesn't get in detail about Japan, but it's still cool to hear the name Debbie Malenko dropped in a shoot interview. I can forgive her now for her infamous blown plancha, as she had just a few weeks of actual working before she got sent to Japan, first for LLPW then Zenjo. I wish someone knowledgable would dig up an interview with a girl like Reggie Bennett, I'm sure she would have tons of great stories. BTW, Tori looks just fantastic at 46. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Guitar Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Watching to Tori shoot interview, and it always amazes me that those guys who came up even late during the last territory days basically knew tons of people before they made it to the big companies. I had no idea that Tori actually worked as a valet in Portland with Scott Levy, and met Roddy Piper there. She came up with Brian Adams, trained under Brad Rheingans. Pretty fascinating when all of a sudden she pops up in WWF in 1999, that she was basically a part of the family long before. Of course the interview doesn't get in detail about Japan, but it's still cool to hear the name Debbie Malenko dropped in a shoot interview. I can forgive her now for her infamous blown plancha, as she had just a few weeks of actual working before she got sent to Japan, first for LLPW then Zenjo. I wish someone knowledgable would dig up an interview with a girl like Reggie Bennett, I'm sure she would have tons of great stories. BTW, Tori looks just fantastic at 46. I've always seen the 90's boom as the swansong of the territories, as alot of the guys featured had some sort of territory experience. You kind of forget that Austin met Lawler in Memphis or that Raven met Piper in Portland back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 And that Rock was likely the last star to have had a start in Memphis, right as it was about to bite the dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 I get that ROH have poisoned the iPPV well twice/three times now but oh Gabe not again: BAD BLOOD BETWEEN ROH AND FORMER BOOKER LEADS TO LEGAL LETTER by Mike Johnson @ 11:10 PM on 5/16/2012 Ring of Honor issued a cease and desist letter to former booker and current DGUSA Vice President Gabe Sapolsky this week after Sapolsky railed against the promotion on his official Facebook Page. Sources close to DGUSA confirmed that Sapolsky received a cease and desist. On 5/14 on his Facebook page, Sapolsky commented on the Internet PPV issues Ring of Honor had with their 5/12 Border Wars IPPV, writing, "When the ownership and management of a company doesn't care or have enough respect for its employees and more importantly paying customers to spend enough money to have adequate equipment they can f*** off. When a company decides to go on the cheap and take a risk that something like a website will work instead of doing everything in their power to guarantee it will work they can f*** off. If the ownership and management doesn't care or respect it's fans enough to do this they don't deserve your support." After receiving negative responses from some users of the Page, Sapolsky clarified his comments, writing, "It's too late to delete that other thread cause everything is out there, but to the people making all the negative comments do you realize I'm just saying we respect and appreciate your business and you deserve the best for your money? Yes, there are bumps in the road due to things out of control, but we never cut corners on things we can control and we always work our hardest to give you the best quality. I'm trying to serve you the best we can and I'm saying you should get nothing less. I take offense when you do." Sapolsky received the cease and desist letter on 5/15, according to sources. There has been longstanding bad blood between the two sides stemming from Sapolsky's dismissal years ago, which led to the formation of DGUSA a year later as Dragon Gate had their own falling out with ROH when Silkin was the owner and opted to no longer work with them. Since then, DGUSA and sister promotion EVOLVE have been vying for the same online audience that was once the cornerstone of ROH's fan base and there have been regular attempts to run opposite of each other over the years. Now, for those wondering why ROH would even respond to anything Sapolsky wrote, I am told that Sapolsky signed an agreement that he would not disparage the company when he was released as ROH booker in October 2008. ROH's side obviously believes that agreement is still in place. One DGUSA source, who was not Sapolsky, believed that the agreement could not be valid as there were distinctly different companies - Silkin's and Sinclair's. ROH was reorganized under a LLC when Sinclair took over the company a little under a year ago. In speaking to a legal source about the matter, I was told it all depended on the language of the non-disclosure form and whether that language covered ROH under ownership beyond Silkin at the time it was signed. On yesterday's media conference call to discuss the iPPV issues, I asked ROH COO Joe Koff about the Sapolsky comments. Koff responded, "I'm not going to respond to his comments specifically because I'm going to consider the source of his comments. I can't refute or dispute perception. I can refute and dispute credible sources. I'm not going to get into that conversation about that. He makes a good point...I will tell you that this company is well financed and work with people we rely on for their expertise....and I think this was something that was unanticipated from our own analytics and our own analysis of what it was. The load was tested. Ee thought that we should be fine with what the normal number of buys are and how they come in through course of a day. And Mike, we were fooled, and I'm going to say that positively, even though it ended up negatively, at the positive response to this product and we did not anticipate that. And shame on us for not anticipating that. It's not a money issue at all. It really isn't a money issue. It just happened to be an unfortunate call on our part thinking [the server was] strong enough to carry the show. That's the way it happened." Sapolsky declined comment when reached by PWInsider.com, but admitted he was "surprised" he was being asked about the issue. However, several hours after declining to comment to PWInsider.com, Sapolsky responded to the cease and desist in vague terms, writing on the same Facebook page, "You stop yourself from saying something 1000 times, but the one time you take 30 seconds and write something out of anger it blows up beyond your imagination. If you are reading this the bottom line is all you really care about is great wrestling, good storylines and something compelling. We had two awesome EVOLVE shows last weekend....[lots of comments about the wrestlers working for EVOLVE over the weekend deleted for clarity of story at hand; complete post here] Our staff of Ivan, Bryan, Sean and Brandon among others, led by Sal, worked tirelessly to put on those two memorable events and great iPPV streams. I took the attention away from all that by losing my cool for a moment and lashing out with profanity. I can't make any promises in the future, but I'll remember this lesson. I ended up doing the last thing I wanted to do- take the attention off the wrestling that we all care about." Obviously, we were unable to gain any sort of comment from Ring of Honor as this story is posted. Should ROH choose to comment on the matter, we'll have more on this tomorrow, but I was given the impression there would be no official statement made on the issue. Wrestling should be exempt from these agreements as what would it be without the bitterness and bitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Ironic given that TNA used the same tactic against Jim Cornette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Kind of silly but given her music was all over 80s Wrestling and 80s comps but I would just like to say RIP Donna Summer. I dont think Eddie Gilbert would be the same without this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 BAD BLOOD BETWEEN ROH AND FORMER BOOKER LEADS TO LEGAL LETTER Actually think that's kinda pathetic on ROH's part. I mean really, dude writes a post on Facebook so you get butt hurt and threaten to sue? Lame. Stuff like that makes me lose more respect for them then the IPPV disaster ever would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Kind of gives the impression they want him to shut up because what he's saying is right. It's one thing for a little wrestling-company-that-could trying to run an iPPV and having it blow up. It's worse when it's a wrestling company owned by a media group that should have its shit together better than this. Sure, it's not like they're NBC/Universal, but Sinclair should have the means to run an event that wouldn't have more than a couple thousand people requesting it without ending up looking like clowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 EVOLVE has competition now http://wrestlingisserious.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 I love the cease & desist spot. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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