JerryvonKramer Posted February 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Did Dylan ever do a Luger or Sting - HHH comparison? I'd be interested to see how Trips would rate in polls vs. either of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo-Yo's Roomie Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Here? Trips would get murdered. Most other places he'd certainly beat Luger, and probably Sting too. Most internet folk seem to have bought into the hype about Hunter as a worker. There was a thread on classics comparing Sting to Hunter, and I think the majority there thought Hunter was the better worker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Found it, 6 pages in. Wow, that was a fun read. El-P vs. Phil Schneider with some entertaining handbags a bit further up. Anyway, Sting Sting is a whole lot better than Helmsley ever was. There are a lot of criticisms you can make of Sting as a worker (cue Vic with the "like?" reply), but in some he brought a real energy to his matches and could deliver in a huge way between the bells. The Vader series alone is better than HHH's entire career in the ring, and those were not Vader carry jobs as a Sting was the perfect foil for him. I'm not in love with the Sting v. Regal matches, but they are matches closer in form to what HHH claims he is as a wrestler than anything HHH has ever done. The Foley brawls are really excellent. Sting was a highspot machine at times for a heavy of his size, but was not really a spotty wrestler. He could sell - particularly fatigue - really well and was very strong at playing the fired up babyface without crossing the line into the World of the super cartoony. He was also really good at getting over both his finishers which is something I am a fan of in wrestling. Even post-crow Sting would surprise you with matches and performances where he was working above what the traditional conception of him was. I will say that HHH was a better opponent for Flair which will sound blasphemous or crazy to a lot of people. But aside from that I can't think of any area where I would give HHH in the edge. Lex Luger Luger laps HHH. I always thought HHH would have been thousands of times better if he had aped Luger's 89 character. I doubt he could have or would have done it, but it seems like it would have been a better fit than what we got. Luger was a good wrestler from 87-92 with flashes of greatness in 89 and parts of 88. If you put peak HHH in 89 I don't think he has matches near that quality with Hayes, Rich, Pillman or even Steamboat. Luger was also a better opponent for Flair so there goes that advantage for HHH. Post-prime Luger was also better than post-prime HHH. I wouldn't argue if someone said that HHH had better matches after his prime than Luger did after his, but Luger was a really fun character in 96 and 97 WCW and worked hard more often than not. Those Bret matches a bit later were better than any HHH tv match I have seen in the last ten years. HHH was more successful at parlaying his affair with well known female wrestling personality into major career advancement so there is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 5533049[/url]'] 5533045[/url]' date='Feb 4 2013, 12:58 PM'] 5533042[/url]' date='Feb 4 2013, 06:21 AM']I actually think one of HHH's biggest weaknesses is the fact that he really doesn't have a ton of memorable/quality tv matches for a guy that was wrestling week-to-week for as long as he was. It's not that he has none. It's that he has remarkably few, far fewer than any contemporary I can think of offhand. The only person who came to mind for too many TV matches with little or no quality was Kane. Not saying Kane doesn't have decent TV matches. Saying the ratio isn't good. All the weird creepy Kane fans can let this go or put it in the Kane thread. It is totally unfair that you can get away with saying things like "weird creepy Kane fans" when everyone thinks I'm breathing fire when I am anything less than a perfect gentleman. "Oh, that Will, so funny." "Jeez, why is Loss getting so bent out of shape?" Who called you out for getting bent out of shape? Why does it matter? I didn't get away with anything because obviously it bothered you enough to comment on it. Nobody even said my comment was funny. If they wanted to address it, they were welcome to take it to the Kane thread where I would simply ignore it because I don't want to discuss Kane. I have Regal, Lawler and AWA matches to discuss!!! Pretty sad that you hate the board right now because I have heard nothing but high praise on how it has operated the last month. I have had a blast posting here lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpchicago23 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 For what it's worth i think the board is extremely fun these days. Not that i've been on here forever or anything but the past few months have made me addicted to this board whereas before i would post once or twice a month. I can kind of see what Loss is saying though at the same time i dont think Will meant any malice by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 I wasn't criticizing him. I was criticizing the reaction to him. Me calling the opinion that Bret Hart was better than Ric Flair "stupid" set off a nauseating 17-page thread. Calling Kane fans -- who do exist on this board -- "weird and creepy" doesn't even get a peep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpchicago23 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Cyber bullying at its finest lol. In all seriousness the Ric flair comment shouldnt've blown up the way it did either because at the end of the day that's just your opinion. Maybe people just thought it would be a fun debate and not many people would consider Kane a good debatable guy. I'm just nit picking here though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollinger. Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 In that specific example, I think it has as much to do with there's more of a debate to be had over the Flair/Hart statement, where Kane fans know that it's a minority opinion and are fine with being called weird, because being a big Kane fan is a fucking weird thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Really, the biggest (but not only) Kane fan is gone. And I'm not a Kane fan in the least. I just hate generalized statements and will attack them if I see them and feel they're not accurate, because that's kind of one thing we do here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Kane sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 How does he compare to HHH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzombie1988 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Kane's in his best run ever now, but aside from the Big Show chain wrestling match, Kane's been having the exact same match for the last 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 How does he compare to HHH? To be honest, I would probably have Kane below HHH but this last run with the Shield PPV six man and his work with Bryan has softened my stance on him. I think I mentioned in the Rumble thread that Kane & Bryan are one step away from having a MOTYC in them. Plus, I don't know if Trips ever had as good of a run as the Unabomber and Al Snow. I would have to think about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I wasn't criticizing him. I was criticizing the reaction to him. Me calling the opinion that Bret Hart was better than Ric Flair "stupid" set off a nauseating 17-page thread. Calling Kane fans -- who do exist on this board -- "weird and creepy" doesn't even get a peep. Dude, you have a Flair avatar. Of course it comes across a tad bit more petty calling anyone stupid for having a low opinion of Flair. You are also one of the BIGGEST Flair fanboys around, especially in this sort of community. Whatever you say carries just a bit more weight as a personal bias than what goodhelmet may say about Kane. Just the way it goes on the internet. For a while, on TSM, I would get derided for defending University of Southern California in their football threads, despite being reasonable about it, simply because I had the USC jersey as my avatar. It just goes with the territory. No need to get overly touchy about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I just removed the damn avatar. It's something I added when the board launched and never thought about again, but has come up quite a few times lately. I'm tired of hearing about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I meant no offense, honestly. I think anyone and everyone should feel free to be whoever they want. If you want the avatar (which is actually kickass), go for it. Screw other people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Not even HHH is worse than Kane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I wasn't criticizing him. I was criticizing the reaction to him. Me calling the opinion that Bret Hart was better than Ric Flair "stupid" set off a nauseating 17-page thread. Calling Kane fans -- who do exist on this board -- "weird and creepy" doesn't even get a peep. Dude, you have a Flair avatar. Of course it comes across a tad bit more petty calling anyone stupid for having a low opinion of Flair. You are also one of the BIGGEST Flair fanboys around, especially in this sort of community. Whatever you say carries just a bit more weight as a personal bias than what goodhelmet may say about Kane. Just the way it goes on the internet. For a while, on TSM, I would get derided for defending University of Southern California in their football threads, despite being reasonable about it, simply because I had the USC jersey as my avatar. It just goes with the territory. No need to get overly touchy about it Does this make you a fan of horny officials? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Not even HHH is worse than Kane. How bad do you think Kane is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Take that talk to the Kane thread. After having Alice Cooper and Freddy Mercury in my avatar for years, it did disappoint people that I was just a fat dude with dirty blonde hair who needed to shave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickHithouse Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 fat dude with dirty blonde hair who needed to shave. We might be twins. Actually, I pretty much picture everyone here looking like that (no offense to anyone, and please don't shatter this illusion for me). I like Kane better than HHH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I meant no offense, honestly. I think anyone and everyone should feel free to be whoever they want. If you want the avatar (which is actually kickass), go for it. Screw other people. I know you didn't. I just was tired of hearing about it. Anyway, I think I'm over my little pity party now. Yay PWO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I wasn't criticizing him. I was criticizing the reaction to him. Me calling the opinion that Bret Hart was better than Ric Flair "stupid" set off a nauseating 17-page thread. Calling Kane fans -- who do exist on this board -- "weird and creepy" doesn't even get a peep. Dude, you have a Flair avatar. Of course it comes across a tad bit more petty calling anyone stupid for having a low opinion of Flair. You are also one of the BIGGEST Flair fanboys around, especially in this sort of community. Whatever you say carries just a bit more weight as a personal bias than what goodhelmet may say about Kane. Just the way it goes on the internet. For a while, on TSM, I would get derided for defending University of Southern California in their football threads, despite being reasonable about it, simply because I had the USC jersey as my avatar. It just goes with the territory. No need to get overly touchy about it Does this make you a fan of horny officials? Yes, Dylan, I am. In all seriousness I think I put that avatar up shortly after the outrage over Donaghy and the NBA scandal, but after all that replacement ref debacles and Super Bowl refs thing this year, it is topical again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricR Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Loss' attitude is ruining this board for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chess Knight Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Loss without the avatar is depressing. I'd read a really great Loss post and look at Flair in picture with his head up, almost like Flair was saying "I just made a great fucking point". Loss is pretty great at taking words that are in my head that I can't put on paper but actually putting them on paper. Now I won't get to look at Flair with his chin up and be all "yep, I did it again." Not that I took anything Loss said as offensive to anyone, but I think it was more clear Will was light-hearted calling the Kane fans 'weird' than it was Loss saying Bret > Flair is 'stupid'. Kinda comes down to the whole 'there's no sarcasm text' thing or 'I forgot a smiley'. On topic of the thread, I think reading through this would be a good indication of how someone could think 1000 workers are better than Helmsley. Dylan thinks Michaels is obviously better than HHH, so you could take all of the wrestlers he listed in the Michaels top 100 thread, add them with these, add the ones he mentioned in passing, he could fill in gaps.....it's believable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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