goc Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 It says a lot that this has been the direction for months and they haven't thought to rebuild someone like Ryback during that time. A sustained megapush post-Wrestlemania could have easily made him hot again. I agree with this. I said when Brock first came back to WWE that they should use him to put over Sheamus, and then when that didn't happen I thought they should use him to put over Ryback. I am as big a Brock fan as anyone but it doesn't make sense to pay him all that money and not try and get a new star out of it. The Ryback thing is even more idiotic because they just COULDN'T not have Brock vs Triple H at Mania that year, to the point where they did that shitty Brad Maddox ref finish instead of the obvious one of Heyman calling in Brock Lesnar to save Punk's title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeplastictrees Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 It says a lot about the current WWE product that there is no one SUPER HOT that Lesnar can run a program with while Cena is out for 2-3 months. Guys like Ryback, Swagger, and Cesaro should have been heavily protected in the mid card. Big Show and Mark Henry (while a fun team) probably should have both returned putting people on blast. Lesnar would be able to finish up this year working with all 5 of those guys (in various lengths obviously) and come RR the rematch with Cena would be super fresh and something people would want to see. This would also give tons of time for Reigns to get where WWE wants him to be, Bryan to return, Ambrose to continue to get super hot, and build the anticipation of Rollins cashing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Has it been said anywhere that Lesnar is having programs with anyone over the next five months? I'm expecting (and hoping) he works a very limited schedule, not even wrestling at every PPV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Will be interesting to see how the build and match layout goes. I love the big time feel these two bring! Although it has to be said, running a rematch straight after Summerlam takes the attention away from Summerslam somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Has it been said anywhere that Lesnar is having programs with anyone over the next five months? I'm expecting (and hoping) he works a very limited schedule, not even wrestling at every PPV. Absent a wild card like Hunter or Rock, I'd guess we something like Batista and/or Bryan before Reigns. He's at NoC because of Network renewals and I'd put the over/under on matches between NoC and Mania at 2.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 He's only scheduled at this point to do matches at NOC, the Rumble and Wrestlemania. It was also reported (by our own Bix) last week that while he's expected to go into WM as champ, that doesn't necessarily mean he will hold the championship from now until then. I wonder if they'll do some type of angle to vacate it or fire him for going too far or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastic Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Best case scenario? Cena takes it to Brock, they have a competitive match up, albeit one where Brock is clearly dominant in places, before Cena falls once again to Lesnar, only it takes Brock a bit of work to finally put him away. Dusty scenario? Cena and Brock are both out of it, referee begins his 10 count. Triple H appears with Seth Rollins and quickly announces that he's cashing in, making himself an official participant in the match. Rollins immediately lands the curb stomp on a battered Cena and pins him 1,2,3 at the behest of Hunter. The referee upon some further "prompting" from rules that because the match has become a triple threat as a result of Rollins cashing in, Lesnar doesn't need to be pinned or submitted to lose the title, therefore, the winner of the match and NEW WWE World Heavyweight Champion - Seth Rollins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I can't think of any way to do the "vacate the title for going too far" angle that won't come off as lame or a cop-out. Why would the Authority strip Lesnar of the title when he's their hired mercenary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Heyman makes such ridiculous demands and problems between him and Stephanie escalate to the point that Stephanie loses her cool and fires him? I'm not advocating that, just saying I could see something like that playing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 It is actually quite simple. Regardless of their philosophical leaning towards being heels, they are still the Authority who wants what they think is best for business. If Triple H and/or Stephanie calls on Brock to defend the title in future main events, Brock holds all the leverage in the world. Perhaps one too many refusal to comply with the Authority's demands could force them to take action. They already stripped Daniel Bryan of the title when they discovered his not being able to work. Why wouldn't they do the same for the champion who refuses to defend against "subpar"/"non drawing" opponents two or three big events in a row? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Russo logic: Insane and out of control, unstoppable monster Brock Lesnar enters himself into the Royal Rumble despite the Authority trying to stop him. They have paid off fifteen guys to all attack him so the money in the back winner can cash in during the middle of the Rumble. Brock then gets his revenge on rollins at Wrestlemania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I can't think of any way to do the "vacate the title for going too far" angle that won't come off as lame or a cop-out. Why would the Authority strip Lesnar of the title when he's their hired mercenary? Triple H just can't bear to be without his title and tries to buy the belt from Brock. Vince McMahon then declares that cannot happen and vacates the title and we have a one-night tournament at Survivor Series. Lesnar and Cena draw byes to the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stomperspc Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Best case scenario? Cena takes it to Brock, they have a competitive match up, albeit one where Brock is clearly dominant in places, before Cena falls once again to Lesnar, only it takes Brock a bit of work to finally put him away. Yea, I think the best outcome is something along those lines. Do a short match (8 to 10 minutes) where Cena comes out firing because he feels getting the jump on Brock is the only way he stands a chance. Maybe they mirror the SS match with Cena hitting an AA a minute or two in, but Brock kicks out. He can laugh if off or whatever, but they can tell the story that Cena's early onslaught as at the very least neutralized Brock. They go back and forth at a quick pace with impact stuff and Lesnar lands the F-5 about five minutes in. They sell the idea that both have taken a match's worth of punishment in five minutes and it is just a matter of who has enough left. Brock goes on sustained offense for a couple of minutes, maybe Cena gets another big near fall kick out, then Lesnar puts him away cleanly. Doing something along those lines puts over Cena as taking the fight to block and showing a lot of heart, while Brock looks even more dominant since he took some offense and withstood it just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 If Batista is even a possibility for a Brock match they should jump all over it. I really want to see Brock/Dolph, but I'd also be afraid Dolph would bump himself straight into retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russellmania Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 man I wish it wasn't true but I totally expect Cena to win back the title at NoC because I don't think this company has the balls to let Brock hold the title all the way to WM. It's too bad because I worry they are going to undo everything they did at SS. It's really too bad because to this point they've created this awesome dynamic where anyone who challenges Brock gains loads of credibility just for having the balls to challenge him. Then even if Brock beats them, they can be made to look great in defeat just by putting up more of a fight than Cena did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 On Austin's podcast today, he absolutely nails the problems with Ziggler's work. Hits the nail right on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I don't really listen to Austin's podcast...what did he say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Best case scenario? Cena takes it to Brock, they have a competitive match up, albeit one where Brock is clearly dominant in places, before Cena falls once again to Lesnar, only it takes Brock a bit of work to finally put him away. Yea, I think the best outcome is something along those lines. Do a short match (8 to 10 minutes) where Cena comes out firing because he feels getting the jump on Brock is the only way he stands a chance. Maybe they mirror the SS match with Cena hitting an AA a minute or two in, but Brock kicks out. He can laugh if off or whatever, but they can tell the story that Cena's early onslaught as at the very least neutralized Brock. They go back and forth at a quick pace with impact stuff and Lesnar lands the F-5 about five minutes in. They sell the idea that both have taken a match's worth of punishment in five minutes and it is just a matter of who has enough left. Brock goes on sustained offense for a couple of minutes, maybe Cena gets another big near fall kick out, then Lesnar puts him away cleanly. Doing something along those lines puts over Cena as taking the fight to block and showing a lot of heart, while Brock looks even more dominant since he took some offense and withstood it just fine. Someone posted that they should book the NoC rematch this way in the SummerSlam topic right after SummerSlam ended, if only I could remember who? Seriously though, it's easy and simple booking that makes perfect sense. Cena is the conquering hero, the person whom the majority of the fan base believes can take down the monster, regardless of what happened at SummerSlam. At NoC Cena throws everything he has at Brock, even has him on the ropes at various times, but in the end Brock still wins a dominant, yet surprisingly competitive match. This leaves the door open for believable challengers, because if Brock just squashes everyone that doesn't help anyone and doesn't really build to much. But if he defends the title against guys like Henry, Ryback, Sheamus, or Show in competitive yet dominant matches then it makes the moment when he loses all the more sweeter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 After watching the great documentary on the Shield's journey to Summerslam, I'm thinking WWE should try their best to get Rock for Mania 31 and make him feud with Roman Reigns. A win against Rocky would be only a step below dethroning Brock and even though the match would probably be decent at best, it's the kind of program that could push Reigns over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slackermillionaire Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I am starting to worry that the plan is for Cena to beat Brock on a banana peel finish at NOC and than loose to him again at the Rumble. I really hope they can convince Brock to do Survivor Series, so he is working every second ppv which I think is more than enough for Brock. I am certain they are going with Reigns -Hunter at HIAC and that should be a big enough match that there is no need for a title defense, TLC could be Ambrose vs Rollins for the Money in the Bank contract as a blow off of their feud, putting the rest of the roster in the under-card in gimmick matches and you have a decent card especially by the standards of the network. If Brock is going into Mania as champion I am curious what they are going to do at Elimination Chamber, I cant see Brock defending the title in the chamber and the rumble would have already decided the no 1 contender for Mania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerpride Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Why would Cena loose to Brock? Would he be slippery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Maybe Cena can slide off of Lesnar during an F5 attempt due to Brock's excess sweat and roll him up for a pin. I kid, but I would actually kind of prefer that to Distraction Finish #698798797897 of 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Also lol @ all the people worried about Brock's excess redness at SummerSlam. He's a fair skinned dude in the middle of summer. Speaking from (painful) experience that's what we tend to look like in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steenalized Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 And by all reports, he's an outdoorsman, isn't he? I think as farmer as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Also lol @ all the people worried about Brock's excess redness at SummerSlam. He's a fair skinned dude in the middle of summer. Speaking from (painful) experience that's what we tend to look like in August. Brock has always sweated like a beast. Even in his early twenties. The colour he is concerns me but the rest of his body - legs mainly was still milky white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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