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It goes back even further with the Hart Foundation and Bret Hart standing out there rambling for 15-20 minutes.

 

I would say 1998 is when it became truly standard as the opening to the show. The 1997 shows don't automatically have them (or use the long promo in different slots on the show, like the Shawn-Bret one that famously ended a show).

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Were the Hart Flindation promos really that long? They weren't brief, but there was a lot less TV time I'd think.

 

The opening in ring promo feels like it's increased in length as the show has. WCW used it too. I think it's just become standard as how WWE programs their TV. In theory, the first segment in serialized TV, should be used as a catch up and push forward for the current episode. They could use a way to freshen up how that's presented.

 

I wonder if they couldn't do an opening 15 minute video segment instead. Not sure how the live audience would react to that tho.

 

Hard when you are serving the master of a live audience and live TV, but now seems like a good time to experiment.

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Ha!

 

Perhaps, I was hoping a Yellow Lantern fan would appear and give me a list of promos they've personally timed over the years..

 

..or something!

 

They ain't short, but RAW switched to two hours in Feb 97. Was he doing the long promos before then? I always thought Bret was just eating time, and the heat was good, so fugg it. But I prolly have the timeline a lil off.

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I think Roman Reigns did a job to somehow prove that he isn't hand-picked. Because if he truly was hand-picked, he would have won, right? More meta booking.

 

Yup trying to get him sympathy. They've changed course on how to push him

 

 

Why do they always do that? I remember it with Cena as if they were saying we dont want our top guy booed so we will have him job to a couple of guys so the fans will change their minds and cheer similar where they embrace the hate. Only problem it wont work. If fans are gonna hate they will hate a character, unless you be devious and tell fans its a house show and secretly televise it.

 

We all know hes related to the samoan no matter how many times its told. WWE may as well just do what they want to do because you cant change a fans mind.

 

WWE history question: when did 20+ minute opening promo become the default start of Raw?

Must have been 1997 time. I recall the odd Raw show then that started with a wrestling match but later in the year it was promos in the ring so thats my guess.

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Not sure if I'm in the minority here, but I really enjoyed Raw and what they set up for Fast Lane and Mania. We got a great Bryan/Rollins match, which gives us a main event at the PPV of Reigns vs. Bryan. I wanted a Bryan win at the Rumble and then facing Brock at Mania, but if that was chicken shit then I was pretty pleased with the chicken salad they delivered last night. Reigns' mic time was limited, that spear to the old man on the floor during the main event looked *great* and a hopefully convincing win over Bryan in a great match at the PPV will either give solidly establish him as a face heading in to Mania, or as someone the crowd absolutely hates and forces their hand to go heel with him.

 

Either way the next 2 months at the top of the card look a lot more interesting than they did 8 days ago and I dig this path a lot more than the other options that looked available.

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If they are going to put Bryan in the WWE title match at mania anyway by turning it into a Fatal Four Way after some screwjob at FastLane why couldnt they have just booked him to win the Rumble anyway?

 

While storylines are important week by week now 10 years from now it would be a shame looking through history that he would never win a Rumble as it just seems each year dont have him win the Rumble but have him in a Title match at Mania. Im probably in a minority here but the Rumble winner should face the champion in a one on one match at mania.

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Not sure if I'm in the minority here, but I really enjoyed Raw and what they set up for Fast Lane and Mania. We got a great Bryan/Rollins match, which gives us a main event at the PPV of Reigns vs. Bryan. I wanted a Bryan win at the Rumble and then facing Brock at Mania, but if that was chicken shit then I was pretty pleased with the chicken salad they delivered last night. Reigns' mic time was limited, that spear to the old man on the floor during the main event looked *great* and a hopefully convincing win over Bryan in a great match at the PPV will either give solidly establish him as a face heading in to Mania, or as someone the crowd absolutely hates and forces their hand to go heel with him.

 

Either way the next 2 months at the top of the card look a lot more interesting than they did 8 days ago and I dig this path a lot more than the other options that looked available.

 

It was certainly the most I've enjoyed raw in months. For as much as a mess the awful rumble has got them into they've sure found an way intriguing foward. I'm really looking forward to Reigns vs Bryan. It helped that the show had a great crowd and a few fun matches. Ryback vs Harper was stonking.

 

As much as I want my man Ambrose at the top of the card i digged his segment. He's got a knack of making things feel more important than they are.

 

Edit: poxy kindle

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If they are going to put Bryan in the WWE title match at mania anyway by turning it into a Fatal Four Way after some screwjob at FastLane why couldnt they have just booked him to win the Rumble anyway?

 

Probably because the dumb fucks who book this shit likely had no idea that the Rumble reaction was coming. They calculated that they would get the 'vocal minority' heat out of the way early by having Daniel Bryan being eliminated, and by the time Reigns was cleaning house the crowd would have forgotten and be cheering vociferously as the three most hated heels in the company were dispatched with the help of incredibly over returning superstar The Rock .

 

Instead it was as brutal as it could have been, so they are killing time with this storyline before they decide whether to take the risk on Reigns v Lesnar either bombing big time or the crowd turning it into a spectacle for all the wrong reasons.

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If they are going to put Bryan in the WWE title match at mania anyway by turning it into a Fatal Four Way after some screwjob at FastLane why couldnt they have just booked him to win the Rumble anyway?

 

Probably because the dumb fuck who booked this shit likely had no idea that the Rumble reaction was coming.

 

It always comes down to Vince having the final call. FTFY.

 

Them not knowing that Philly was going to go nuclear on them is a cop out. Anyone with half a brain knows that Philly is one of the absolute toughest crowds to do shitty booking in. These are the same fans that tipped over a Flyers bus upon returning splitting an away series in the Playoffs because they Flyers didn't sweep on the road.

 

Instead it was as brutal as it could have been, so they are killing time with this storyline before they decide whether to take the risk on Reigns v Lesnar either bombing big time or the crowd turning it into a spectacle for all the wrong reasons.

 

I still think they run Reigns vs. Lesnar but I'm starting to feel that Reigns goes in as a heel and Lesnar is the babyface. This is of course depending upon whether Lesnar resigns - which I think he will as the money for the work volume in WWE is better than the UFC. It's the only way I can see salvaging this debacle. As much as I think Bryan vs. Lesnar would be the better match-up all around I think this is an instance where bad booking decisions need to blow up in Vince's face so it serves as an example of here is something you DON'T DO to others on staff...

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Opening chat was bad. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but on the upside, at least the weekly promo war only went 10-12 minutes? Bryan’s mic work (minus the terrible marketing script) was decent, and I like that Reigns was at least behaving like a face. HHH wasn’t bad against Sting. I’ve said this before, but Steph being talented on the mic doesn’t change that she’s reciting terrible material. Superfluous verbiage dressed up as “corporate” rhetoric, and I really think the people who were calling her a better promo than even someone like Lesnar are conflating “said lots of words” with “drawing money”.

Have Kane and Show ever been used worse than they have been in the last 3 months? Ever been less effective?

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