El-P Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Oh agreed, I'm not saying there were no legs at all to the nWo, even as little juice as the concept had left I think they had more in them than WWE ultimately got. I just think it would have been the absolute wrong move to have them involved in the Invasion - you have so many years of built-in WCW Vs. WWF heat, and you're going to make it about the nWo? Why? Because Russo is a cretin. And he's not creative, contrary to the "popular" belief. He already recycled the nWo once in WCW, with the amazingly horrible results we know (http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/19237-wcws-highway-to-hell/). He had no other idea for the WWF invasion than to recycle the nWo again. Even worse, recycling the original angle. Just like he tried to recreate the Montreal screwjob, that dumbfuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymeFuture Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 What bothers me more is that a whole generation of wrestling fans saw that kind of stupid shit in WCW, the non-sensical swerve booking, and think that that's what wrestling is just because it was on a major stage. These of course, are the fans that are left, since most sane people gave up on it while it was going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Oh agreed, I'm not saying there were no legs at all to the nWo, even as little juice as the concept had left I think they had more in them than WWE ultimately got. I just think it would have been the absolute wrong move to have them involved in the Invasion - you have so many years of built-in WCW Vs. WWF heat, and you're going to make it about the nWo? Why? I actually think Cornette's idea of telling people WCW was purchased, but the WCW wrestlers remain together and as figurative outsiders because they hate the WWF and the WWF guys hate them, and treated it like a massive internal conflict, is a hell of an idea - I think telling people they were not all owned by Vince would have been a tough sell. As long as you did it with conviction they may have been able to pull that off, but who knows. Cornette's idea started off well enough but I absolutely hated the shooty aspects he introduced. Wrestlers breaking the code and shooting on each other in the ring? Really don't like that aspect and I was especially shocked that Cornette of all people suggested something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymeFuture Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Yeh I thought that sucked, that's not going to appeal to the masses at all. That and Dustin Rhodes & Jeff Jarrett as your "young tag team" in 2001. Quite honestly I'm not sure there have been that many Guest Bookers were I was actually all that blown away with the suggestions, the theory about why things are done is far more interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 I really enjoyed Gabe's Guest Booker about rebooking ECW but that's about it. I agree that the theory about why things are done has been the better premise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 Yeah. Gabe's ECW sounded pretty good. It took place back in the day, but I could easily see those same programs playing out on NXT today. It just felt like custom-made angles and stuff for a smaller developmental type promotion - and he even did his best to play by "their rules" by including the likes of a Randy Orton, Ric Flair, etc. I definitely think he made the best out of that situation, and it would've been truckloads of fun to watch it all actually unfold in reality. His Guest Booker about WWE buying TNA (with Sully along for the ride) wasn't quite as good, but it had some neat moments - introducing Sting, as well as his thoughts on how to treat incoming talent per the usual invasion stuff. Nothing extraordinary of course, but I think both appearances side-by-side really show that Gabe was only temporarily burnt out towards the end of his ROH run. I firmly believe he could still contribute to a WWE or TNA television-based company and shouldn't wear the label of being strictly an "independent" booker. I really like Terry Taylor's Guest Booker appearance. There wasn't a whole lot to work with, but like you guys said - the most interesting portion was the discussion PRIOR to the actual booking experiment. His stories about HOW he learned WHAT he learned, and WHO he learned those things from? That's what I'd like more of in the future. Classic story about Dusty on the plane, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 I really like Terry Taylor's Guest Booker appearance. There wasn't a whole lot to work with, but like you guys said - the most interesting portion was the discussion PRIOR to the actual booking experiment. His stories about HOW he learned WHAT he learned, and WHO he learned those things from? That's what I'd like more of in the future. Classic story about Dusty on the plane, too. Oh yeah that story was glorious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Guest Booker with Bruce Prichard is a really interesting interview, but the booking itself is fucking abysmal. The idea is supposed to be getting from points A to B without having to screw Bret. But, Prichard is just all over map with ideas and, there's nothing realistic. He talks about bringing in Hogan (like they could afford him when they couldn't afford Bret) and then having Bret's sendoff be working UT at WM14, when UT/Kane was already started by the time Montreal happened. But, the actual interview itself, getting his take on what happened, and getting some insight as to how Vince's mind works (including what made Vince come up with the Red Rooster) is great stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 That sounds about right and seems to line up with the other Guest Bookers. I wouldn't mind Sean doing a series on wrestling's major angles and have a DVD focus on one specific angle. You can interview like two guys who were involved, perhaps one behind the scenes and one on-air. Like for the nWo, have on Kevin Sullivan and Kevin Nash. It'd allow them to really get in-depth about specific moments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I really can't get into the guest booker stuff for a lot of those reasons. I feel they often forget/ignore major details and stray too far from reality. Not a fan of fantasy booking in any form, honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 You say that, but No Way Out 2002 for the nWo's WWE debut drew a strong buy rate and a huge rating on Raw the next night, although the angle didn't have great legs admittedly. It actually had great legs. It's just that those legs were cut about one month into its run. The potential matches which could have come out of a prolonged run with those three is too vast to even begin going into here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 But, the actual interview itself, getting his take on what happened, and getting some insight as to how Vince's mind works (including what made Vince come up with the Red Rooster) is great stuff. Yeah pretty much. The first 2/3 of the interview is fascinating. That sounds about right and seems to line up with the other Guest Bookers. Yep, it's almost always the case. I don't care for fantasy booking to begin with, and it seems the most interesting part of the deal is always the preceding talk about booking or context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 I'm pretty convinced there's not a person inside the wrestling business who understood why WCW fans liked WCW enough to book the invasion angle properly. The truth is, even though they were over a decade removed from it and latter day WCW didn't resemble it at all, you had a lot of people who hung on through thick and thin because of their love of the Crockett era and their hatred of all things Vince. I don't think it needed to be an NWO rehash either, since one is an invading promotion and one is an invading stable. The NWO was never clear on what they wanted to do after taking over -- did they want to wrestle each other? -- which is why I don't think it's the best idea to model a WCW invasion after, even if it was successful. In short, if you aren't even going to attempt to liquor up Ross and Schiavone then encourage them to take cheapshots at each other while co-hosting a PPV, you have no business booking WWF vs WCW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 So I was watching a Dave & Earl Hebner shoot (I don't know why either) and Earl had an interesting answer to being asked if he feels more pressure working a main event. He said he feels more pressure working undercard matches because the main eventers know what they are doing but the younger guys have to be helped, and sometimes they don't listen and you have to be more worried about them hurting you or themselves or their opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 They'll put just about anybody in a shoot nowadays, won't they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 Not really a new DVD but finished watching the Memories of a Superstar Bill Dundee 3 DVD set and it is definitely worth picking up if you are a Memphis/Mid South fan. Helps that it was able to show plenty of Memphis footage and a little bit of other places. The quality isn't that great but can't complain. As expected Bill comes off very well and personable and obviously have a great wealth of knowledge. I also think that Beau James as the interviewer was great since it is clear he knows his Tennessee wrestling history for decades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 KC just shot a new Timeline with Bret, covering WWF 1992. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 WOW. That has potential to be incredible. Legit cannot think of a more appropriate guest off the top of my head. Surprised WWE OK'd that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Could be great or could be dry and all about Bret talking about Bret. We'll see.On the other hand, WWF 1981 Timeline with Rick Martel, then yeah, this one surely should be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Has the Martel one come out yet? I think it'll be good. Bret obviously has some controversial opinions but he's always good for a shoot. And this will be his first time doing one of these with a guy who both has a good grasp of the material they'll be discussing and is a good interviewer so I look forward to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Could be great or could be dry and all about Bret talking about Bret. We'll see. On the other hand, WWF 1981 Timeline with Rick Martel, then yeah, this one surely should be great. Too bad they don't think they have the audience to have Martel cover 1984 or 1985 in the AWA, when Martel was the champ, the promotional war was in full flight, the advent of Pro Wrestling USA, losing to Hansen, AWA Freebirds stories, the impact of long-term guys leaving and the effectiveness of the new guys coming in, Brody and all the fun he had...soooo much good stuff there. There are probably lots of guys that could do 1981 WWF, but not so many left that could do 1984 or 85 in the AWA. Again, I get that they probably don't see an audience for it, but it's a darn shame nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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El-P Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Because if the world needs something, it's another Cornette shoot interview about Vince Russo. I love Corny and no doubt he'll probably tell some good stories, but come on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakla Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Cornette hasn't done anything for RF in awhile, has he? Seemed like he was more Kayfabe Commentaries "exclusive" over the last few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 The last RF one I remember was like 2003. He was with ROH for the Straight Shootins', then he did KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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