The Chief Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 I listened to the show again, in full this time, and this guy came in with an axe to grind. Will was a pro through and through. Lumping in Will and PWO with the "predictable" we hate everything internet crowd was embarassing. PWO is predictable?How many podcasts does this guy have about Portland? The Freebirds? Jerry Lawler? Predictable? Give me a break. I know we've had discussions about not lumping in PWO as a singular mind, but in this case I think it needs to be said. Dude took shots at this entire board. I back Parv 100% on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Again he is named after a Bread song.....that's all that needs to be said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpchicago23 Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 If anything I think this board has a broader range of opinions than most. A lot of boards are either angst driven or very basic when it comes to knowledge. Here I find a lot of people with a wide range of taste and knowledge. When he lumped all of us as being negative it came off silly. If someone challenges the mush that is fed to you, it doesn't make them negative. He's a guy that drinks the kool aid double fisted. When he said the Sting/Triple H match couldn't be bad I almost thought he was being paid. I think we all want it to be good but to say its impossible to be bad it comes off as him hearing the WWE say its going to be huge and then taking that as gospel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 I talked to Justin about this the other day when the shit was going down. There are wrestling fans and there are WWE fans. I don't root for promotions anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 To be slightly fair, he is a good IRL friend of one of the panelist since he, Ben, started at Marvel Comics. In other words, his appearance is probably not as random as those ripping him seem to be. I think he may be taking a comics based approach, where yes a series of good to great stories can elevate a character from one status to another (and vice versa if written poorly). I mean look at Aquaman since 2011! On top of that, comics is an industry (including a lot of the fans themselves) rife with those that think their internet fan base has a negative hive mentality that should "let it go, and enjoy what you like without tearing down what you don't like." I also think you guys are taking it a bit too hard here, which is why he went off like that. Yeah its not an approach that is the norm in a lot of circles, but I don't think it was as outright insulting as this thread is making it seem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Just to add, I think Audbrey also was thrown off and went on defensive mode for the show right from the start. I mean he did seem taken aback after Scott did the bit about jumping off bridges, and then seemed to run down The Bushwackers (as The Bushwackers), along with The Bellas and the idea of Hogan inducting Savage (which was never brought back up). So he probably was thinking that his opinions were going to be "controversial" in terms of how the show was going to go. Granted Ben and Andrew backed him up often, but I can see how he thought from the start it was going to be a point-counter point type of show with him against Scott and Will from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I usually enjoy the Main Event so I tried to get through this. But I had to tap out after 45 minutes. The point that the crowd not caring about Reigns is irrelevant because WWE says he is a star was just too much. BTW, this is a perfect example of the comics creator (really, any serialized fiction from the creative standpoint) mentality I mentioned. "HERE IS MY CHARACTER, I WILL RAM HIM/HER DOWN YOUR THROAT UNTIL YOU FINALLY ACCEPT HIM/HER OR I QUIT THIS JOB! AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN WATCH/READ SOMETHING ELSE, STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT!" And very rarely will you see a course correction. I mean, it does happen, but not as often as fans would like, and usually once the creator of the character is off the book/show/franchise/whatever. Sometimes the "Mary Sue" (term for pet character) can be rehabilitated with the right writers, etc, sometimes though they do fade into obscurity. The notion that the company, show, writer, etc will dictate the popularity of a character, and it doesn't matter (a little irony there as I'm thinking of the Rocky Miavia/The Rock transformation) what the initial fan reaction is not just a pro wrestling thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Is this some sort of "I will read any comic with Punisher in it with it no matter who is the creative team and no matter if it's any good," mentality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 To be slightly fair, he is a good IRL friend of one of the panelist since he, Ben, started at Marvel Comics. In other words, his appearance is probably not as random as those ripping him seem to be. I think he may be taking a comics based approach, where yes a series of good to great stories can elevate a character from one status to another (and vice versa if written poorly). I mean look at Aquaman since 2011! On top of that, comics is an industry (including a lot of the fans themselves) rife with those that think their internet fan base has a negative hive mentality that should "let it go, and enjoy what you like without tearing down what you don't like." I also think you guys are taking it a bit too hard here, which is why he went off like that. Yeah its not an approach that is the norm in a lot of circles, but I don't think it was as outright insulting as this thread is making it seem. This is interesting and gives a lot of insight into the situation. I have been on the Main Event pod before and we disagree but i think the thing that took me off guard was the interruptions early on. Midway through, I was being just as rude and contentious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jushin muta liger Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I listened to the show and even though I don't agree with Will's opinions on certain things in wrestling, I was shock how Aubery was caping up for the WWE has been booked and ran a couple times to the argument saying "Well, Will, you know it's fake right." Will said it beautifully when he said that this is entertainment that should make me suspend my disbelief and that's what it should be. If the "fake" argument holds weight, then the comic book industry wouldn't be alive, wrestling wouldn't alive, fiction books along with TV shows and movies wouldn't be alive today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Just to add, I think Audbrey also was thrown off and went on defensive mode for the show right from the start. I mean he did seem taken aback after Scott did the bit about jumping off bridges, and then seemed to run down The Bushwackers (as The Bushwackers), along with The Bellas and the idea of Hogan inducting Savage (which was never brought back up). So he probably was thinking that his opinions were going to be "controversial" in terms of how the show was going to go. Granted Ben and Andrew backed him up often, but I can see how he thought from the start it was going to be a point-counter point type of show with him against Scott and Will from the start. No, I don't buy that. If you're going to be on a show, do your homework, know what you're getting involved with. Don't assume that the guys on the other end of the line are whatever strawman figures you've just made up for yourself. And most of all, don't behave like a total twat in the process. But y'know, just my take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Doesn't matter - move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Oh I didn't know that both him and Will were subbing. My point really is that he seemed to come in with a preexisting agenda and set of assumptions and a set of already-written conclusions and counter-arguments. And he was just in there with the wrong guy to do that with. I have since seen that he's got his head so far up his own arse that none of this really matters because he'll never see outside of his bubble anyway, but I don't see any of this as an excuse for what I consider to be bad behaviour and bad form. I've done so many shows with so many different people now, that I might have an over-acute sense of what a difficult personality can be like. But Will is the easiest guy in the world to do a show with, and it kind of really bugged me to see him treated like that by this smug guy. Agree with Brad though to draw a line under it and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Dave Musgrave watched a lot of wrestling over Mania weekend and PTBN has his reviews. First up - King of Indies Night 1 & 2 http://placetobenation.com/wrestlemania-weekend-recap-king-of-indies-2015-night-1-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidglov3s Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I know this is old news, but that Aubrey guy is saying what someone says who wants to leave a door open. Same as we hear from Jericho, etc. Complete hack. But what're you gonna do, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigelow34 Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 New monthly series we are running... Pro Wrestling What Ifs... This month we took a bunch of PPV Title Changes and wondered what would have happened if the title did not change hands: http://placetobenation.com/ptbns-wrestling-what-if-ppv-title-changes/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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