Matt D Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I think we all agree that it's fair more likely that Trips puts Bryan over in a match which doesn't put him over at all than him going over Bryan. The question then is whether or not Daniel Bryan is a good enough wrestler to get himself over in a match like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 RAW had a huge dropoff in the third hour last night. I don't really understand what's going on here, but yeah, Daniel Bryan in the main event wasn't enough to keep people tuned in. 8 p.m. 4.43 million 9 p.m. 4.22 million 10 p.m. 3.98 million Next week will be Orton vs Cena, which I'm sure will do a bigger number and WWE will have more proof that they are right to take the direction they are taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 That's not a huge drop considering the patern of the last few weeks. It's been a while that the 3rd hour drops. A quarter hour breakdown would be more telling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Also, Cena coming out for revenge in the go home show for the Rumble lost like 1 million viewers in that last hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I think we all agree that it's fair more likely that Trips puts Bryan over in a match which doesn't put him over at all than him going over Bryan. The question then is whether or not Daniel Bryan is a good enough wrestler to get himself over in a match like that. My guess is that we'll get the HHH special where he goes over at Wrestlemania and does the return job at Extreme Rules where it means nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawmic Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 We could also get something where Reigns does his face turn by costing HHH the match intentionally during a Shield run-in, so this way all of the focus is on Reigns and not Bryan winning. After this week though I really think we may be headed for Bryan vs Kane at WM though. Extreme Rules in NJ instead of Seattle is also bad news all around, as the NY/NJ fans are the ones who will cheer the "stars" like Batista and HHH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Where did Dave even get the Seattle thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawmic Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Where did Dave even get the Seattle thing? Dave said Extreme Rules was originally booked somewhere else and they changed it to Seattle because they have huge plans post-WM for Bryan. He made it sound on one of the WOR shows like he got it direct from someone in WWE. One of the "well plans changed" items that happens with Dave and Bryan all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I think we all agree that it's fair more likely that Trips puts Bryan over in a match which doesn't put him over at all than him going over Bryan. The question then is whether or not Daniel Bryan is a good enough wrestler to get himself over in a match like that. My guess is that we'll get the HHH special where he goes over at Wrestlemania and does the return job at Extreme Rules where it means nothing. That happened once back in 2010, to a then very green Sheamus. HHH shouldn't have been losing to green rookies on first half of the card Wrestlemania match anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 We could also get something where Reigns does his face turn by costing HHH the match intentionally during a Shield run-in, so this way all of the focus is on Reigns and not Bryan winning. After this week though I really think we may be headed for Bryan vs Kane at WM though. Extreme Rules in NJ instead of Seattle is also bad news all around, as the NY/NJ fans are the ones who will cheer the "stars" like Batista and HHH. I don't think an NY-area audience is apt to cheer Batista and HHH and not get behind Bryan. I think they would be the opposite, although an NJ crowd is typically a lot less fun than an MSG or Barclays crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I think we all agree that it's fair more likely that Trips puts Bryan over in a match which doesn't put him over at all than him going over Bryan. The question then is whether or not Daniel Bryan is a good enough wrestler to get himself over in a match like that. My guess is that we'll get the HHH special where he goes over at Wrestlemania and does the return job at Extreme Rules where it means nothing. That happened once back in 2010, to a then very green Sheamus. HHH shouldn't have been losing to green rookies on first half of the card Wrestlemania match anyway. It's happened with his last three non-Undertaker Wrestlemania opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Does anyone remember if Chris Benoit "moved numbers" before he got his push in late 03/early 04? Dave has mentioned Rey and Eddy spiking QH's before their pushes but I've never heard any of that about Benoit. All I remember was him wrestling guys like Albert and Rhyno and then all of a sudden was getting a push to the top. Yes this mostly occurred on SD but still Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Same for Jericho. For Lesnar in '02. You could even argue that Undertaker never really became a draw until the last few years, even though he's always been pushed like one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 We could also get something where Reigns does his face turn by costing HHH the match intentionally during a Shield run-in, so this way all of the focus is on Reigns and not Bryan winning. After this week though I really think we may be headed for Bryan vs Kane at WM though. Extreme Rules in NJ instead of Seattle is also bad news all around, as the NY/NJ fans are the ones who will cheer the "stars" like Batista and HHH. I don't think an NY-area audience is apt to cheer Batista and HHH and not get behind Bryan. I think they would be the opposite, although an NJ crowd is typically a lot less fun than an MSG or Barclays crowd. I really want to do a thread on the characters of different crowds in different towns / areas. Been thinking about it for a month or so but can't figure out how to phrase it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 We could also get something where Reigns does his face turn by costing HHH the match intentionally during a Shield run-in, so this way all of the focus is on Reigns and not Bryan winning. After this week though I really think we may be headed for Bryan vs Kane at WM though. Extreme Rules in NJ instead of Seattle is also bad news all around, as the NY/NJ fans are the ones who will cheer the "stars" like Batista and HHH. Disagree here. This is the post-Mania RAW arena. People on the east coast will travel in for the PPV. Probably will be louder than Pittsburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawho5 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I really want to do a thread on the characters of different crowds in different towns / areas. Been thinking about it for a month or so but can't figure out how to phrase it. Why not do as a title: Crowds in Different Areas of the U.S. (or something along those lines) And then subtitle it: How They are Different (again, just a general theme) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawho5 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I still see this tendency to make Triple H out to be the bad guy. Gotta say I don't get it and I will lay out my reasons why. I will admit, I am 99.9% in agreement that Trips is an asshole main eventer who refuses to put young talent over to the point of killing their push. His track record speaks very strongly to that. Having said that, IF Bryan gets put into a feud with Triple H and ends up getting his push killed as a result, it is only partially Hunter's fault. Going with the idea that there is a feud I'll go forward from there. IF Vince or anyone with the seniority in the company to have a say about it truly want Bryan to be a big deal, they would have already said something to Trips about the damaging promos and very likely told him to behave like a professional and put Bryan over. I would say this was especially true of Vince. Son-in-law or not, if Vince wants to see a guy pushed, he's not going to let anyone walk all over them whatever the reason. Also, Vince is a control freak. The WWE is so tightly controlled that it is hard to believe that nobody who makes booking decisions knows what happens to young guys who Triple H gets his hands on. I'd venture to say that it is common knowledge. Therefore, if they truly cared about any young wrestler breaking onto the main event scene and looking good, they would not put him up against Triple H until he was well-established enough that his credibility couldn't be damaged beyond all repair by the feud. So, by virtue of that, if Bryan is put into a feud with Triple H, Vince and the booking team in no way care if he does well. If I was feeling very generous I would call it a very strenuous test. They want to see if Bryan can come out of it at least as over as he was going in to determine his long-term ability to draw. Okay, I think I skimped on the amount of uses of the word "very" in front of generous. Look at some of the people that have already run into that buzzsaw. Jericho was never going to be a big WWE star. He didn't have the look they like in their "big names." Sure he could talk and was good enough in-ring. But they have a certain look they want from their main guys, and Jericho didn't make that cut. Punk was always just a way to draw in the indy/internet smark crowd. If I wanted to be overly cynical, I might say that Bryan is along those same lines. Booker T was getting pretty old by the time he got any heat in WWE. Add to that the fact that his wrestling style relied very heavily on his athleticism and it's pretty hard to see the WWE really seeing him being around for long. That seems like it may have just been a way to put Trips over without sacrificing anybody the front office cared about/had plans for. Sheamus I don't get. He's young, big, can pull off menacing and intense, as well as having some athleticism. Seems like a guy they could use as a big name heel/tweener or at the very least a "gatekeeper" type. Honestly, I can see Vince and the booking team actually using Hunter's natural tendencies to what they perceive as their advantage. Some guy they don't feel is main event material, for whatever reason, gets some momentum going, then they stick him in a program with Hunter. Problem solved, and you don't even have to ask the guy to be a dick about it and not put the other guy over. So in closing: Yes, HHH kills pushes. Is it his fault that a lot of people you or I would have liked to see get pushed more ended up getting thrown his way at just the right time? Very likely not. Just convenient for the WWE booking team they have a perfectly willing foil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 RAW had a huge dropoff in the third hour last night. I don't really understand what's going on here, but yeah, Daniel Bryan in the main event wasn't enough to keep people tuned in. 8 p.m. 4.43 million 9 p.m. 4.22 million 10 p.m. 3.98 million Next week will be Orton vs Cena, which I'm sure will do a bigger number and WWE will have more proof that they are right to take the direction they are taking. Sports Illustrated Swimsuit and Castle were drawing Raw fans. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 IF Vince or anyone with the seniority in the company to have a say about it truly want Bryan to be a big deal, they would have already said something to Trips about the damaging promos and very likely told him to behave like a professional and put Bryan over. I would say this was especially true of Vince. Son-in-law or not, if Vince wants to see a guy pushed, he's not going to let anyone walk all over them whatever the reason. Trip has been cutting promos killing opponents for more than a decade. There isn't any evidence that Vince actually gives a shit about what Trip says in his promos. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheGreatPuma Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 In my other interests, I am seeing people who talk about their specialised interests changing subjects and passionately commenting on the Daniel Bryan/Royal Rumble situation. I've also seen other people commenting on this. Bryan is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlittlekitten Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 What is that suppose to mean? People passionately commenting (or moaning) on the internet isn't going to increase ticket sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheGreatPuma Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 What it means is that it's yet more indication about how much Daniel Bryan and this situation is making people feel and comment about it. It's interest indicators in places and ways I haven't been seeing before. Bryan has gotten people emotionally wound up and that makes wrestling work. Even if Bryan theoretically "didn't move ticket sales" he's a difference maker in keeping the audience that they have through emotion, wrestling matches and fun. He makes the audience compelled in what can at times be a bland WWE landscape. The guy is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russellmania Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 RAW had a huge dropoff in the third hour last night. I don't really understand what's going on here, but yeah, Daniel Bryan in the main event wasn't enough to keep people tuned in. 8 p.m. 4.43 million 9 p.m. 4.22 million 10 p.m. 3.98 million Next week will be Orton vs Cena, which I'm sure will do a bigger number and WWE will have more proof that they are right to take the direction they are taking. Will be really interesting to see how the numbers for tonight's show compare, assuming they stick to the planned format of Orton/Cena in the main event. I expect the crowd to shit on that match, but if it manages to spike the ratings where Bryan/Orton had a drop then it will only lend more fuel to the fire. Do long main event singles matches usually have pretty steady ratings or even growth regardless of who is in them? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the 3rd hour drops sem-frequently if only because it's so hard to watch 3 hours of wrestling at a time every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 How do we know Bryan/Orton had a bad number? Do we have the quarter hours? The last hour of RAW has been losing viewers for a while now. The day Batista returned, the last 60 minutes of the show - which had the "cliffhanger" of Cena showing up to avenge his father - lost 600,000 viewers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 RAW had a huge dropoff in the third hour last night. I don't really understand what's going on here, but yeah, Daniel Bryan in the main event wasn't enough to keep people tuned in. 8 p.m. 4.43 million 9 p.m. 4.22 million 10 p.m. 3.98 million Next week will be Orton vs Cena, which I'm sure will do a bigger number and WWE will have more proof that they are right to take the direction they are taking. Will be really interesting to see how the numbers for tonight's show compare, assuming they stick to the planned format of Orton/Cena in the main event. I expect the crowd to shit on that match, but if it manages to spike the ratings where Bryan/Orton had a drop then it will only lend more fuel to the fire. Do long main event singles matches usually have pretty steady ratings or even growth regardless of who is in them? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the 3rd hour drops sem-frequently if only because it's so hard to watch 3 hours of wrestling at a time every week. Without having any specifics, my understanding is that long main events aren't great for ratings. I just seem to remember too many times we'd be days out from some cracking main event and the ratings would come in and lead to a lot of "What is wrong with people!?" and "Yeah, remember, most people don't actually care about workrate". I could be wrong though, that's just my impression. Ever since three hours there has frequently been pretty big drop offs in the third hour, regardless of who is on screen. The show is too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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