peachchaos Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Monday – September 19th Legends With Jbl2016 Scott Hall and Kevin Nash – 09/19/2016 Raw Pre-Show2016 Pre-Show to Raw #1217 – 09/19/2016 (WWE Studios – Stamford, CT) ECW Hardcore Tv 1993Hardcore TV 08 – 05/25/1993 (Cabrini College Fieldhouse – Philadelphia, PA)Hardcore TV 09 – 06/01/1993 (Cabrini College Fieldhouse – Philadelphia, PA)Hardcore TV 10 – 06/08/1993 (ECW Arena – Philadelphia, PA)Hardcore TV 19 – 08/17/1993 (ECW Arena – Philadelphia, PA) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye12 Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Wasn't the deal with Hall and Nash's contracts that they were guaranteed to be the highest paid people? I remember at the time Hall was trying to encourage guys to get the biggest contracts they could because he knew it would benefit him too. They had a favored nations clause where their contracts would be raised if someone else came in with a bigger contract, so they'd always be at least a top five paid guy (or whichever number it was). When they first came in, I think they matched the LOD, when Bret came in, they bumped up, etc. Kind of like the NFL franchise-tag, where guys are kept under contract an extra year, but have to be paid the average of the top five guys at their position (or more), or they become an unrestricted free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 The fact that the past their primes weren't drawing a dime Road Warriors were the top paid guys in WCW when Hall came in can't be right, can it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 No, it's that the Road Warriors quit WCW when Hall and Nash were hired making more than they did because they felt (rightly so, even if it meant zilch in 1996) that they had the better track record of drawing and should be paid higher than them. And Lex Luger had a guaranteed contract in 1987 when he came into JCP. It was probably not the first of its kind, but it was the first one that created a big fuss. He was the first guy to hire an agent and push for insurance and that sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 His time in the WWF was atrocious though. Come on. Atrocious. Yeah, the gimmick was bad and nondescript (he said it himself he had no idea what they wanted him to be), but Mero had plenty of good matches there. He stole the show working with Austin at KOTR 96. And then he was a lot of fun as a Marvelous Marc bullying Sable around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Mero's run was actually getting pretty good when his knee blew out, and when he came back Marvelous Marc ended up overshadowed by Sable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Was Mero wrong about anything he said in 2007? I'm sure a lot of rasslin' fans drank the grapefruit-flavored Kool-Aid, but that doesn't mean Mero didn't have a point. My point is that whatever he did say in 2007, true or not, probably meant he'd never get a job at WWE again. I'll admit he was a little entertaining when they turned him heel and relied on his boxing background for a gimmick. And he did have some good in-ring work throughout the run, but the Wildman gimmick was bland and uninspired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 His time in the WWF was atrocious though. Come on. Atrocious. Yeah, the gimmick was bad and nondescript (he said it himself he had no idea what they wanted him to be), but Mero had plenty of good matches there. He stole the show working with Austin at KOTR 96. And then he was a lot of fun as a Marvelous Marc bullying Sable around. I don't remember ANY "great" Mero matches in the WWE. KOTR with Austin was just "okay." Did they steal the show? Probably, but not hard when every match was weak as hell. That show is remembered for THE promo and nothing else. There were glimpses of fun stuff in Mero's WWE run, sure, but he never had a sustained quality run in the WWE like he did in WCW with Johnny B. Badd in his last year or two there. Mero's WWE run was a colossal disappointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 KOTR '96 had a strong main event and a memorable UT-Mankind match--not as memorable as future matches perhaps, but something that stood out as different for the time with a holy-shit finish. It was a perfectly acceptable show at worst, and Mero-Austin stood out as high-quality in that context. The blame for any "disappointment" in character isn't entirely off of Mero, who had been so openly adamant about dropping the Badd gimmick and preferring to wrestle under his real name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 How was Mero a colossal disapointment ? He was never gonna have any great matches anyway. Mero was a solid worker who had good PPV matches with DDP. Oh, yeah, there was that Pillman masterpiece, in which Mero was game. But really, a very good match with Steve Austin isn't a disapointment, it's exactly what you could expect out of him. I say it was better than Michaels vs Bulldog actually. Vince thought for whatever reason that Mero and Sable would be the new Savage & Liz I guess. Not good judgement on his part, although Sable's fake boobs ended up drawing well for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 I suppose it wasn't colossal from the standpoint that they started him purely mid-card, instead of putting him in a more high-profile angle. They might have learned from the experience with Luger a few years before that not to put all the eggs in one basket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachchaos Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 The legend goes that Vince LOVED the Johnny B. Badd gimmick and that's why he hired Mero, who was tired of playing Little Richard and wanted something different. The mistake Mero made was making Sable part of the interview process and once Vince saw her big old fake breasts his attention was diverted. Mero's WWE run was actually a LOT more entertaining and eventful than the Johnny B. Badd stuff. Just not in the ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Just got a survey from WWE, and one of the questions asked was what services do you subscribe to. One of the answers was "Crunch Roll" (actually CrunchyRoll the streaming anime service) which I found amusing since their heavily pushed tag team champs are huge anime nerds that dressed like Dragon Ball Z characters at Wrestlemania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 I saw a commercial for that service on the Network recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 The mistake Mero made was making Sable part of the interview process and once Vince saw her big old fake breasts his attention was diverted. Well, considering Mero & Sable were married, it didn't matter in the end, all the money went to their household and Mero says he had tons of fun working at putting her over. I'm just surprised Mero never showed up back in WCW but I guess he was smart with his money. He did came back as Johnny B. Badd in TNA for a while though, which was odd to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Didn't he make a few appearances in WCW in 98 or 99? I don't think he got in the ring but I have a memory of seeing him on Thunder once, being interviewed from one of the front rows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotJayTabb Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Just got a survey from WWE, and one of the questions asked was what services do you subscribe to. One of the answers was "Crunch Roll" (actually CrunchyRoll the streaming anime service) which I found amusing since their heavily pushed tag team champs are huge anime nerds that dressed like Dragon Ball Z characters at Wrestlemania. I think there is a New Day link there. On one of the pre-Network UpUpDownDown episodes, Woods was giving out a code to give you a free months trial for Crunchy Roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Didn't he make a few appearances in WCW in 98 or 99? I don't think he got in the ring but I have a memory of seeing him on Thunder once, being interviewed from one of the front rows. No, he didn't talk I don't think, he couldn't. It was a "Hey, look who's here !" moment. Sable did it too when Russo was in charge (or maybe they were together, but I doubt it), but they could not use her anyway. DUMBFUCKERY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 KOTR '96 had a strong main event and a memorable UT-Mankind match--not as memorable as future matches perhaps, but something that stood out as different for the time with a holy-shit finish. It was a perfectly acceptable show at worst, and Mero-Austin stood out as high-quality in that context. Forgot that UT-Mankind was on the same show. Was this their first match and the one where Foley shockingly went over after Bearer turned on Taker? Yeah, that was good. Anyway, the problem with all of these "Mero had a great WWE run" posts is that they're coming from a forum full of people who likely weren't watching the product week after week at the time and notoriously only pick and choose the "good" matches to watch, sometimes years after the fact. Almost anyone is going to look like they had an impressive run under those circumstances. Week to week, Mero's run was shit, his bland character was a disappointment, and he never got over in any context. His wife's boobs were more over than he was, and it's to his credit that he had a good head about that and did everything he could to help her. After all, like he said, the money was going to the same household anyway. Still, not many people in wrestling would be that secure and mature. Most wouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Didn't he make a few appearances in WCW in 98 or 99? I don't think he got in the ring but I have a memory of seeing him on Thunder once, being interviewed from one of the front rows. No, he didn't talk I don't think, he couldn't. It was a "Hey, look who's here !" moment. Sable did it too when Russo was in charge (or maybe they were together, but I doubt it), but they could not use her anyway. DUMBFUCKERY. That's right. A very odd moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 No one said Mero had a great WWE run either. And yes, I was watching the product week to week. Mero had good matches on PPV all the time until he blew out his knee. Then he was a fun heel as Marvelous Mark. It's a decent run. (didn't he innovate the TKO too or did he stole it from someone ?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 I loved the TKO so much I made it my finisher in the first WWF video game that had a CAW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 KOTR '96 had a strong main event and a memorable UT-Mankind match--not as memorable as future matches perhaps, but something that stood out as different for the time with a holy-shit finish. It was a perfectly acceptable show at worst, and Mero-Austin stood out as high-quality in that context. Forgot that UT-Mankind was on the same show. Was this their first match and the one where Foley shockingly went over after Bearer turned on Taker? Yeah, that was good. Bearer turned on Summerslam, though Mankind won after Bearer accidentally (?) hit Taker with the urn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 I loved the TKO so much I made it my finisher in the first WWF video game that had a CAW. Same here. That's one move I'm shocked more people haven't stolen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachchaos Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 The F5 is pretty close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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