SPS Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 I guess the good thing is that the confusion over Memphis TV ownership has allowed so many new fans to discover its greatness unedited in YouTube and 70s-TV.com. It still be nice for the Network to get it so we can see the WWF/USWA angle in good quality. I don't think the 80s Memphis stuff would be better quality, most of the master tapes are gone, this isn't like Mid-South or Mid-Atlantic. My understanding is that Lawler claimed ownership of Memphis and has pieced together all the stuff floating around and wants to sell it to WWE for the Network. The big question is whether Cornette's collection would be part of what Lawler has, specifically all the missing stuff from 82-83. If it is, and WWE has that stuff, I'll be picketing outside corporate with a sign every day until they put it up. I'll start social media campaigns. I'll do anything. The world needs to see all the Lance Russell footage available and Cornette is sitting on it. Im sure I remember cornette saying in a shoot interview he regrets selling SMW to WWE. In fairness, he couldn't have expected it to be the only library that they would largely leave on a shelf. That's odd, in his 2'nd Youshoot he said he didn't regret selling it as he had lost 6 figures in SMW and WWF was paying him 6 figures for the tape library so he could break even by selling it. He said he didn't consider SMW something historical to the level of a Championship Wrestling from Florida that he couldn't stand to see buried away in WWE's vaults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 I guess the good thing is that the confusion over Memphis TV ownership has allowed so many new fans to discover its greatness unedited in YouTube and 70s-TV.com. It still be nice for the Network to get it so we can see the WWF/USWA angle in good quality. I don't think the 80s Memphis stuff would be better quality, most of the master tapes are gone, this isn't like Mid-South or Mid-Atlantic. My understanding is that Lawler claimed ownership of Memphis and has pieced together all the stuff floating around and wants to sell it to WWE for the Network. The big question is whether Cornette's collection would be part of what Lawler has, specifically all the missing stuff from 82-83. If it is, and WWE has that stuff, I'll be picketing outside corporate with a sign every day until they put it up. I'll start social media campaigns. I'll do anything. The world needs to see all the Lance Russell footage available and Cornette is sitting on it. Im sure I remember cornette saying in a shoot interview he regrets selling SMW to WWE. In fairness, he couldn't have expected it to be the only library that they would largely leave on a shelf. That's odd, in his 2'nd Youshoot he said he didn't regret selling it as he had lost 6 figures in SMW and WWF was paying him 6 figures for the tape library so he could break even by selling it. He said he didn't consider SMW something historical to the level of a Championship Wrestling from Florida that he couldn't stand to see buried away in WWE's vaults. Im not sure which interview it was on but he said he had heard that its out there in the trading community in great quality and told fans to actively seek it out which which I took as his way of Jim approving trading so fans get to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPS Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 I guess the good thing is that the confusion over Memphis TV ownership has allowed so many new fans to discover its greatness unedited in YouTube and 70s-TV.com. It still be nice for the Network to get it so we can see the WWF/USWA angle in good quality. I don't think the 80s Memphis stuff would be better quality, most of the master tapes are gone, this isn't like Mid-South or Mid-Atlantic. My understanding is that Lawler claimed ownership of Memphis and has pieced together all the stuff floating around and wants to sell it to WWE for the Network. The big question is whether Cornette's collection would be part of what Lawler has, specifically all the missing stuff from 82-83. If it is, and WWE has that stuff, I'll be picketing outside corporate with a sign every day until they put it up. I'll start social media campaigns. I'll do anything. The world needs to see all the Lance Russell footage available and Cornette is sitting on it. Im sure I remember cornette saying in a shoot interview he regrets selling SMW to WWE. In fairness, he couldn't have expected it to be the only library that they would largely leave on a shelf. That's odd, in his 2'nd Youshoot he said he didn't regret selling it as he had lost 6 figures in SMW and WWF was paying him 6 figures for the tape library so he could break even by selling it. He said he didn't consider SMW something historical to the level of a Championship Wrestling from Florida that he couldn't stand to see buried away in WWE's vaults. Im not sure which interview it was on but he said he had heard that its out there in the trading community in great quality and told fans to actively seek it out which which I took as his way of Jim approving trading so fans get to see it. It was in the same Youshoot as the person who asked the question prefaced it by saying they had managed to collect all the episodes of SMW but was wondering if WWE was ever gonna release a mass box set of them(before the network). Jim said he supported tape traders and to "keep this shit alive" . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 This thing's been alive for four years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 This thing's been alive for four years now. Just crazy value. Vince sacrificed so much money putting everything on the Network, but it really has helped my wallet. In 2017 - I would have bought the Rumble if it was a PPV, I always get the Rumble no matter how I feel about the current product and always will. Mania would be like $60-70. They would have gotten me for that Brock-Joe PPV. I would have gotten SummerSlam because that 4-way tough guy main event was everything I love in wrestling. They would have gotten me for the Brock-Braun/Cena-Roman PPV. They would have gotten me for the absolutely surreal deal of Kurt Angle returning to a WWE ring after 11 years and playing the role of Roman Reigns in the big Shield reunion. They would have gotten me for Brock-AJ. If they put the Takeovers on PPV, I would have gotten each one. Instead, $10 a month. I have 83-85 World Class to work through. 1983 Mid-South. Lots of Mid-Atlantic. And they even seem to be cutting down on original content no one cares about and ramping up the classic content, heading in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 This thing's been alive for four years now. Just crazy value. Vince sacrificed so much money putting everything on the Network, but it really has helped my wallet. In 2017 - I would have bought the Rumble if it was a PPV, I always get the Rumble no matter how I feel about the current product and always will. Mania would be like $60-70. They would have gotten me for that Brock-Joe PPV. I would have gotten SummerSlam because that 4-way tough guy main event was everything I love in wrestling. They would have gotten me for the Brock-Braun/Cena-Roman PPV. They would have gotten me for the absolutely surreal deal of Kurt Angle returning to a WWE ring after 11 years and playing the role of Roman Reigns in the big Shield reunion. They would have gotten me for Brock-AJ. If they put the Takeovers on PPV, I would have gotten each one. Instead, $10 a month. I have 83-85 World Class to work through. 1983 Mid-South. Lots of Mid-Atlantic. And they even seem to be cutting down on original content no one cares about and ramping up the classic content, heading in the right direction. Did the WWE actually lose out on money? I never paid for anything WWE until the Network came around. Lots of people are in that boat. A lot of fans too only bought Mania or Mania/Rumble. A year of the network is more cash than that. Also have to remember they keep almost all the money from the Network, while on ppv they got a lot less of the overall money. All in all, since they are more profitable now then when they were on ppv, I think your statement seems wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 This thing's been alive for four years now. Just crazy value. Vince sacrificed so much money putting everything on the Network, but it really has helped my wallet. In 2017 - I would have bought the Rumble if it was a PPV, I always get the Rumble no matter how I feel about the current product and always will. Mania would be like $60-70. They would have gotten me for that Brock-Joe PPV. I would have gotten SummerSlam because that 4-way tough guy main event was everything I love in wrestling. They would have gotten me for the Brock-Braun/Cena-Roman PPV. They would have gotten me for the absolutely surreal deal of Kurt Angle returning to a WWE ring after 11 years and playing the role of Roman Reigns in the big Shield reunion. They would have gotten me for Brock-AJ. If they put the Takeovers on PPV, I would have gotten each one. Instead, $10 a month. I have 83-85 World Class to work through. 1983 Mid-South. Lots of Mid-Atlantic. And they even seem to be cutting down on original content no one cares about and ramping up the classic content, heading in the right direction. Did the WWE actually lose out on money? I never paid for anything WWE until the Network came around. Lots of people are in that boat. A lot of fans too only bought Mania or Mania/Rumble. A year of the network is more cash than that. Also have to remember they keep almost all the money from the Network, while on ppv they got a lot less of the overall money. All in all, since they are more profitable now then when they were on ppv, I think your statement seems wrong. The big thing is putting Mania on the Network. If they had kept that off, and let's say the Network is at instead around 300k users, Meltzer has done the math and they would be far ahead, Mania is that big. They're not yet as profitable as pre Network, just more revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabs Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Taking Mania off PPV was definitely a mistake. I guess they brought into the notion that PPV was dead and last year proved that wrong. As did the pre network buyrates for Mania. Even if you didn't offer Mania on the network I doubt people would unsubscribe for that month. You still get a TakeOver, Hall of Fame and all the archive and they could add some extra original content that month. If people are just letting their sub run month to month they won't cancel for that one month. The only people who would are the ones only subscribing for Mania who would pay the PPV price as they were beforehand. Or they watch it through other means and WWE get no revenue which they don't anyway because if you only want to subscribe fot Mania month you'd have to be pretty useless with technology to not get the free month, even without having to make a new account. Mania's huge and imo it'd still be doing around a million buys every year on PPV. If people want to see something then they'll still pay for it and for as much as WWE's popularity is dwindling, Mania is still watched by everyone. Plus the Mania cards they've done since have been strong from a star power perspective. I mean if they have Brock/Roman, Cena/Taker and Rousey's debut this year there's no way you're not talking 1m+ and I bet the Network number would remain at least above 1m too. That's a lot of extra revenue that they're giving up. Don't think you could put Rumble or Summerslam on PPV without defining down the network and then really risking losing month to month subscriptions but for just one month that would be loaded up with plenty of other network content I can't buy WWE not making a lot lot more money that way. But I don't think they were confident enough in the network taking off without making it such terrific value and launching it with Mania for $9.99. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 It was a short term loss and a long term play. And let's be honest about when we're talking about WWE's financial health compared to every other company ever - they sacrificed a bunch of cash and what does it really mean? Vince only has $100 million in dividend money to spend on XFL2 instead of $200 million? If you're not a stockholder what's the difference. I still think the way they did the Network could look smart in 15 years. I'm telling you, with the way kids consume entertainment nowadays, the whole entertainment industry model could be blown up in 15 years. Also, everyone in the world is coming out with streaming services now and that's just going to continue. WWE went out and got their 1.5 million fans used to paying for a service they have total control over, not dependent on the future of TV or PPV. It could look smart some day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 It already looks smart now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabs Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 The Network is already a smart idea. It was a smart idea the moment they were able to stream Mania without the feed being butchered. I don't think anyone is debating that, only whether they put too much on it too soon for too little (or just if Mania should be on or not). And obviously from a WWE Financials pov not a customer one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Is there anything close to a list of match recs for older WWF footage on the Network? Between all the house shows, Tuesday Night Titans and Prime Time episodes I'm sure there's a wealth of matches ranging from fun to good or great, but it'd be helpful to have some kind of reference rather than looking up reviews for every individual show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 I'd love to see them do something like this, present a whole angle as it plays out continuously like a movie, with no voice-over or talking heads, just present it straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 The March drop will be WWWF All-Star Wrestling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 There could be some real gems in this drop. One friend of mine has been waiting to see the "third Executioner" angle from TV again since it aired. As an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 The March drop will be WWWF All-Star Wrestling Love love love this trend of more classic stuff and less original programming that no one watches. The Florida TV dream is still alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Like I said above, they should add Complete Feuds section. Pick a feud and have every promo, angle, and match in chronological order in it. Like an expanded Collections section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 The March drop will be WWWF All-Star Wrestling Don't think Ive seen any of that. I thought for a second it was the 84 - 86 run till I saw 3 W's in your post. So hoping to see what 60s or 70s stuff they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Look like its going to be 76-79 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 I'm glad they've found a way in which they can release this old stuff systematically as opposed to randomly like it seemed before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 That's fantastic. I'm bearish on the match quality, but looking at '76 for example there's a lot of Bruiser Brody and Crusher Blackwell, and some interesting characters like Billy White Wolf (future Gen. Adnan) and Kevin Sullivan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 Titans needs to make a comeback now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 I thought I read somewhere that they just filled in some more World Class gaps in the last week or so. Anyone have a listing of what was added? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 Titans needs to make a comeback now. Who wants to play Parv? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topropepodcast Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 I thought I read somewhere that they just filled in some more World Class gaps in the last week or so. Anyone have a listing of what was added? WCCW 167 - 03/09/1985 WCCW 179 - 06/01/1985 These are all that I see that's been added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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