The Chief Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Not to mention there were a few songs they had to dub out due to ongoing lawsuits, then put them back in when it was settled. Plus I can't even imagine how much of a pain in the ass it had to have been to go back and un-blur the scratch logos from all the Attitude Era stuff after that got settled. Pretty sure it doesn't work that way. Just because they edit something doesn't mean it's permanent, they still keep the original masters.Yea, WWE has the original masters so that is an easy fix. But the music issue might be the biggest one cause I doubt the older promotions recorded their shows with seperate audio channels. But the older promotions didn't do many commercial releases, so the tapes in the WWE vault still have "Freebird" for the 'Birds, "Tom Sawyer" for Kerry, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNLister Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 They also closed caption everything, which I recall reading has been the cause of many delays. They even had closed captioning on the live NXT last night. Either they are paying a professional to do it live, or they have an incredible automated system, and I don't think the latter is even possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jushin muta liger Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Not to mention there were a few songs they had to dub out due to ongoing lawsuits, then put them back in when it was settled. Plus I can't even imagine how much of a pain in the ass it had to have been to go back and un-blur the scratch logos from all the Attitude Era stuff after that got settled. Pretty sure it doesn't work that way. Just because they edit something doesn't mean it's permanent, they still keep the original masters.Yea, WWE has the original masters so that is an easy fix. But the music issue might be the biggest one cause I doubt the older promotions recorded their shows with seperate audio channels.But the older promotions didn't do many commercial releases, so the tapes in the WWE vault still have "Freebird" for the 'Birds, "Tom Sawyer" for Kerry, etc. That's what I was referring to. The older promotions probably recorded their show masters live to tape. So the production staff in WWE can't easily dub over music without adding fake crowd noise and stuff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Stuff like Smoky Mountain Wrestling is probably a nightmare to edit and Memphis (if they ever buy that library and we get to see it) will lose part of its charm with generic tunes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ0oMokJN74 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 In the Video Vault their is a 1/18/86 match between the British Bulldogs vs. Hart Foundation match up. I don't think that match has ever aired before. I'm not 100% sure though. EDIT-it has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 It think it aired at the time because it was covered in the Hart Foundation guidebook I put out last year. This is where we sourced it, pre-Network http://www.56.com/u54/v_NjEyMTY0NTE.html and it has the WWE insignia in the corner so it likely aired on 24/7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Watching Nitro and I got to the one where Madusa shows up and throws the WWF Women's belt in the trash can. It's been so long I forgot the best part was after she left, Eric just casually pulls the belt out (and helpfully shows it to the camera) to confirm it's the real thing with a look on his face like "huh, how about that". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTLL Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 It think it aired at the time because it was covered in the Hart Foundation guidebook I put out last year. This is where we sourced it, pre-Network http://www.56.com/u54/v_NjEyMTY0NTE.html and it has the WWE insignia in the corner so it likely aired on 24/7. If it has no mark in the upper right, it wasn't 247/COD. This looks like a streaming-COD release. (It's also mislabeled as 11/08/86, which was actually Harts-Islanders in Philly, and they presumably meant the correct 1/18/86 or 11/01/86, which was Harts-Bulldogs in Boston...etc. Of course I had to look that up. It also seems to have the first 5 minutes cut for some reason. Alas.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Bret Hart episode of the Monday Night Wars is up. This was particularly hard to sit through. The format of this show has degenerated to individual episodes of the stories which have been told a thousand times, all with the standard WWE revisionist slants. The amount of omissions and embellishments concerning the Bret Hart / WWE fiasco aren't even worth getting into. By the time Miz pops up as a talking head, the programme turns into background fodder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Bret Hart episode of the Monday Night Wars is up. This was particularly hard to sit through. The format of this show has degenerated to individual episodes of the stories which have been told a thousand times, all with the standard WWE revisionist slants. The amount of omissions and embellishments concerning the Bret Hart / WWE fiasco aren't even worth getting into. By the time Miz pops up as a talking head, the programme turns into background fodder. Really? I didn't find it that objectionable. Although that could be just letting WWE's slant wash over me. What annoyed you most? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FedEx227 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Bret Hart episode of the Monday Night Wars is up. This was particularly hard to sit through. The format of this show has degenerated to individual episodes of the stories which have been told a thousand times, all with the standard WWE revisionist slants. The amount of omissions and embellishments concerning the Bret Hart / WWE fiasco aren't even worth getting into. By the time Miz pops up as a talking head, the programme turns into background fodder. The format for this series is so miserable and wastes a potential game-changing piece of original Network content. As you said, the war is essentially over by episode 2 when WWE takes the lead back so now we're going to cover each guy that helped WWE win. This becomes nothing more than slightly altered single wrestler documentaries. Why are we not getting week-by-week breakdowns, discussions of booking decisions or shit, ANY discussion of WCW's dominance for a year and a half? We shoud've known how this was going to be, silly us for having faith that WWE could give some credit to the competition (THAT THEY OWN) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 MNW is atrocious. A roundtable discussion along with the compliment of the side by side segments bouncing off on each other would create the frantic atmosphere that was so infectious during this time. I debated many times whether to watch a Goldberg squash or the latest in Austin vs. McMahon. This series has even more so than you usual, became a mouthpiece for WWE revisionist history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 My post. Really? I didn't find it that objectionable. Although that could be just letting WWE's slant wash over me. What annoyed you most? For one, it's been 17 years now. How refreshing would it be to acknowledge the fact that Bret didn't even need to show up that day... Instead of the same old stories, how refreshing would it be to go into the politics which allegedly held Bret back in WCW, which in turn would have fitted the theme of the programme of the "Wars" as the politics in WCW were a huge factor in the creative suffering from 1998 onwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FedEx227 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 The "flip" culture was the big deal at the time, anyone who watched it live knows you wore out your PREVIOUS/FLASHBACK button and made huge decisions switching. They did a little bit of the split screen showing what was happening on both shows at the same time but this was only used as a bit piece when I really think you can make a WHOLE episode out of it. You were going to break to combat the other guys, you were booking matches in certain places because of what was going on in the other show. This is a huge aspect of the War and it's completely and utterly ignored in episode 2 in lieu of us discussing Montreal again. I'm done with the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike F Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. I love Bret to death, but even I am sick of hearing about 1997. And if I am going to hear about it, then why didn't they mention how around the time of Bret re-signing with WWF, there was a rookie starting out in WCW named Goldberg. I'm watching the show and I'm just thinking to myself what certain things they were talking about had to do with Raw vs. Nitro. They had to do with the time period, but not necessarily that. Same with the Foley show. The Foley one would be a great mini-doc about Mick Foley in that time period, but wtf does this directly have to do with WWF vs. WCW. It's like they spend about 45 minutes of the show building up to the 10 minutes where Raw vs. Nitro is addressed. I do enjoy the show for certain things where they'll briefly show, say, a WWF Wrestling Spotlight title card, or a picture I haven't seen. But as a whole, it's been disapointing. I loved this picture so much though. Has to be from 12/92-1/93 since LANCE CASSIDY (!!) is in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeplastictrees Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I've never heard nor seen Chick Donovan until the posted video above. That guy sucks. He cuts this terrible promo to little reaction and then starts shaking his ass to NO REACTION. You could have heard a pin drop in that studio if the music wasn't so damn loud. I know this isn't the popular opinion, but stuff like that has no place being shown in a serious capacity on The Network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I've never heard nor seen Chick Donovan until the posted video above. That guy sucks. He cuts this terrible promo to little reaction and then starts shaking his ass to NO REACTION. You could have heard a pin drop in that studio if the music wasn't so damn loud. I know this isn't the popular opinion, but stuff like that has no place being shown in a serious capacity on The Network.You can't be serious, dude. That shit was fucking great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 If you are going to do a documentary on the Monday Night War you have to include the story of Bret Hart. Especially if you are doing about 15 shows. What did you think they would talk about when you saw this in the schedule. I do agree that the stuff that is being shown is just the same stuff from previous War shows at a different times. Same clips, same interviews, hell same voice over commentary a few times. At the rate it is going by the time we get to the 15 show we will be lucky to see 10 mins of original stuff on this hour long show. And fuck anyone that does love Chic Donovan character. Or anyone that doesn't love Robert Palmer for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 If you are going to do a documentary on the Monday Night War you have to include the story of Bret Hart. You've missed the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Lance Storm made a great point how the MNW series really drives home how stupid it was not having the full Raw and Nitro libraries up at launch. They could have easily done a Netflix style recommendations thing where watching MNW would steer you toward the Raw where Foley "really put asses in seats" and won the title, or any other milestone reference point. Instead you have to go to YOU-TUBE (as Bryan would say) and watch it for free because they thought it would be better to dole out the content people want in small doses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migs Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Yeah, they are selling a library, much moreso than a network. But they don't get that and we're a long way from them getting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNLister Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 If you are going to do a documentary on the Monday Night War you have to include the story of Bret Hart. Especially if you are doing about 15 shows. What did you think they would talk about when you saw this in the schedule. Bear in mind I've not seen the show yet, but I was hoping for a lengthy look at the Hart Foundation vs US feud, covering the way you had the unified heel force against the disparate bunch of babyfaces who didn't get along, and the whole deal of having babyface/heel switch round from week to week depending on Raw's location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 I want an entire show on Nick Patrick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efrim Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Hopefully one episode is just a deep dive on the blood runs cold saga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efrim Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 We deserve answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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