BillThompson Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 They really should only go two routes with Brock now. 1) He rematches Cena at Night of Champions and Cena throws everything he has at Brock. He's classic Cena, looking like he's going to overcome the odds and slay the monster, but no matter what he does Brock keeps getting back up and in the end he's still the one standing. From there he goes on to face the few babyfaces they are willing to throw at him and he dominates them, but doesn't completely squash them. This all leads to Mania, where if a babyface is ready, like a Bryan, the demon can finally be slayed. If not take the most over guy and have Brock route him, maybe even a Cena 3. 2) He squashes Cena in their rematch, and squashes everyone. Personally I feel #1 is the way to go, because it will make for better wrestling, and it will build up Brock more than just having him squash people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Oh, I don't doubt they will disappoint us, but this seems more significant than anything they have done in a long time. Squashing Undertaker and John Cena is a bolder move than any of those things by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 That's the thing, Matt. With Brock having limited dates, it allows for easier booking. Can't fuck it up. With a demolition like that, Reigns doesn't seem like he can step up to the plate. It would just look weird. Bryan's comeback, where they could work the Morishima-style match that Danielson mastered a few years back, would be the best from a work standpoint. But booking? There's nobody on the roster, even with six months build, that would be seen as a realistic threat to Lesnar. Not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 You weren't watching last year after Summerslam, Charles. Were you watching when the Nexus angle hit, or during the Pipe Bomb angle? The answer is that they'll fuck it up within a month and a half. I wish it wasn't, but yeah. The only saving grace is that maybe they don't have enough dates with Brock to fuck it up immediately. the weeks after Summerslam last year were some amazing times for internet wrestling boards. It was rather brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 That's the thing, Matt. With Brock having limited dates, it allows for easier booking. Can't fuck it up. With a demolition like that, Reigns doesn't seem like he can step up to the plate. It would just look weird. Bryan's comeback, where they could work the Morishima-style match that Danielson mastered a few years back, would be the best from a work standpoint. But booking? There's nobody on the roster, even with six months build, that would be seen as a realistic threat to Lesnar. Not even close. The flip side is this: What the hell will they give us in Brock's absence in the meantime? Part of me thinks that hilariously Cena wins it back at NOC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eduardo James Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 When was the last time a top face (never mind the THE top face) got decimated so thoroughly? I remember Vader knocking Sting off his feet and Khali randomly squashing Undertaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 They have to do the Rocky III with Cena at some point, right? Maybe he doesn't win but at least show him trying to find himself in the wake of this unprecedented destruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pol Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 You weren't watching last year after Summerslam, Charles. Were you watching when the Nexus angle hit, or during the Pipe Bomb angle? The answer is that they'll fuck it up within a month and a half. I wish it wasn't, but yeah. The only saving grace is that maybe they don't have enough dates with Brock to fuck it up immediately. The difference here is that their pet project and (supposed) future ace is on the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I think the more likely scenario that will happen is Brock/Bryan at the Rumble - still presented as Bryan's big comeback - with Bryan getting really hot again even in losing and WWE somehow being caught off guard by that yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steenalized Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Long term booking, this may be a mess for WWE and I easily see them mishandling this. But for tonight, I'm in love. It stands out as so different from what usually happens. Different isn't inherently good, but I think this delivered. Cena put Lesnar over in such a big way and now its undisputed who the top dog is. This is what I hoped for in the WWE thread, albeit it went a little longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Meltzer saying the Orton vs Reigns was a great match? At this point, I'm convinced that Dave Meltzer is either trolling people or has went senile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pol Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Put me down as one that enjoyed Reigns/Orton, by the way. I really wasn't giving much thought to how good or bad it made Reigns look at the time but I can see what you guys are saying. That said, I think the win itself was pretty decisive even if the match wasn't laid out in a way to highlight Reigns. Do you think the average fan's perception is really affected by who had the cooler spots in the body of the match, moreso than Reigns getting the decisive victory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steenalized Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I hated Reigns-Orton, but I'm so disinterested in Orton that I should recuse myself. It was a fifteen minute hole at the back end of the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I think the more likely scenario that will happen is Brock/Bryan at the Rumble - still presented as Bryan's big comeback - with Bryan getting really hot again even in losing and WWE somehow being caught off guard by that yet again. it's probably way too early to judge but I have a feeling the Reigns superpush is going to be thrown right back into their face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steenalized Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 When was the last time an inorganic super push worked for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 What would be gutsy would for Cena to do an injury angle for a month or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Yeah, I mean, people rag on Cena and in 2005 he definitely had a lot of holes in his work. But he was still a more complete wrestler - and a far better seller - than Roman Reigns is now, which is what makes Reigns' long matches so tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I have no faith in Reigns will be ready in 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 are they still going to do Reigns/HHH at NOC? They'd had no interactions in about a month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJH Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Reigns won quickly having been dominated, it was a one lucky shot win not a decisive one, and yes I do. I also think he badly needs to re structure his finishing run because having the set-up, punch and set-up spear back to back kills the momentum dead. In the Shield matches there'd be dives or something from Rollins and Ambrose in between and perhaps with a heel manager to bump it could work. But Vince is so adamant on the boom boom bump feed rhythm for babyface offence I'm amazed they're running with Reigns offence as is. All three of his big spots require lengthy set ups and vs. Orton with the RKO the dead space is only highlighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I enjoyed Orton/Reigns a ton. Too many people are letting their pre conceived feelings about Orton and their rejecting Reigns push blind themselves when watching the fucking matches. It was a great match that told the correct story. Meltzer is dead on right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 How is Reigns push "inorganic"? They took the guy who was getting the best crowd reactions in the Shield and have pushed him accordingly . That's not "inorganic" that's listening to the crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 It was a bad match that was boring & exposed Reigns, where no one in the building thought Orton was winning & it was in the death slot with a crowd that didn't give a flying fuck. Meltzer is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoneSoldier Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I thought it was a good show over all. The first couple of matches were fine, and Rusev/Swagger was quite good. Stephanie/Brie was better than it had any business being, as far as a match between a non-wrestler and a barely competent wrestler. I thought Orton/Reigns was very good, and I credit that to Orton. Complain about chin locks if you like, but Orton made it look like he was on offense tonight, and not just doing rest holds. Lesnar vs. Cena was perfect. The one thing I seemed to be in the minority about on Twitter tonight was that I HATED Ambrose/Rollins. They did some cool dives and stuff, but the psychology of that match was horrendous for a lumberjack match. If guys can brawl all over the arena because the lumberjacks suck, then what is the point of ever having a lumberjack match again? RVD/Cesaro on the pre-show was actually pretty good as well. I thought it was the best televised match they've had together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJH Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 It's not down to thinking Orton's a dick (though, by his own admission, he is). I actually got a kick out of it, as I did with Shawn, or Hogan against Warrior (and his commupence on Shawn too to show who's boss). But Orton completely undercut Reigns tonight. Shit, other than the finish, all the replays were Orton's spots, and the crowd were noticeably tepid towards him. That's not how you put a guy over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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