Grimmas Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Discuss here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WingedEagle Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Maybe its because he's someone I hadn't watched in years and had formed a gross misconception about him, but in going through the '92-'93 yearbooks Hase has been one of my absolute favorites. His holds, spots and transitions are all crisp without theatrics and he's as awesome at selling as he is tearing into an open wound and trying to drain every last ounce of blood from his opponent. That's before we get to his fire and charisma. He could play the fiery NJ babyface vs. WAR on one night or a bloodthirsty and vicious heel the next. Easily someone I want to go back and watch what he was doing in the 80s as well as what was there when he moved to AJ, as on the New Japan side the only one at his level is Hashimoto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Hase is definitely someone I'd advocate strongly for and someone that I think deserves a closer look. I'll come back with a full list of match recommendations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 That would be great, Loss. Â Don't want to derail this, but is it just me or do NJ heavies in the 90s not get enough love lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 They've gotten a lot more love in recent years than they did for a long time, when the juniors were considered king. If you look at the year-by-year threads for the '90s, you'll see a ton of praise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 That would be great, Loss. Â Don't want to derail this, but is it just me or do NJ heavies in the 90s not get enough love lately? Â I may be guilty somewhat of this with my Taue HOF vindication but that doesn't take away from the fact that I think Hashimoto and Hase are great workers for a large junk of their career. Choshu is a personal favorite of many here. Chono, Muto, and Sasaki are more spotty but definitely had some classic matches throughout the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Now their careers are junk?! You just don't know when to stop, do you Chad? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Ha Ha *CHUNK Â That's what I get for typing on PWO instead of working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Hase was so much better match-for-match than Mutoh and Chono, it isn't even close. Just as athletic as Mutoh, just as much charisma as Chono, and vastly more consistent level of effort. His lack of a big singles push, and the somewhat short nature of his full-time peak (under 10 years), hampers him in terms of reaching the top tier. Â Worth noting that in singles matches with Misawa and Kobashi, he brought more to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 I've heard some say that on work he's better than Chono and Mutoh and I agree to an extent. He was also hurt by booking, but he was also as strong a hand as New Japan had during his heyday. I think he has a chance to make the bottom of my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Multiple Hase threads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Yeah, Hase already has a thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I think I need a match by match run down for Hase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Going purely from memory, to me Hase was the #2 NJ heavyweight of the 90's behind Hashimoto. Always a guy I was really high on and a guy who would always bring something great to a match. As a fan, his ability and work never resulting in an 'appropriate' push was most frustrating. Â Look forward to watching a lot of his stuff again, but if my memory has not failed me, an absolute cert for my top 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Think I was the highest voter on Hase last time. I had a fair bit of his stuff on a comp, his consistency struck me more than anything else and his versatility. Was great at those fiery exchanges as well, really made them look authentic rather than a lot of the strike trading you see now. Will try and dig out the match list from an old hard drive because there were some gems on there. He usually kept up a fast pace which I like in a worker. Â The 1998 All Japan match with Akiyama is superb and on YouTube, there were some fun tags with Sasaki and a good early singles match against Liger which is sloppy but interesting. Seem to remember him wrestling Terry Funk at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Looking forward to that match list if you get the chance to post it. I think I've seen most of the highly touted NJ matches, but haven't seen much of his AJ and definitely want to see what else is out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 One of the best wrestler anywhere in the world from 88 to the time he went into semi-retirement. Amazing as a junior, as a tag guy, as a heavyweight taking on NJ's opposition, amazing pretty much in any kind of role (not to mention assistant booker to Choshu during NJ's hottest period ever).And he's the Minister of culture and communication of Japan now. Certainly beat everybody on the political field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/32747-hiroshi-hase/ Â I don't know if I'll be the highest voter on him, but I can't see how he's not going to rank above Taue for me, and given how many great matches Taue was in, I can see him finishing outside the top 30. Which means Hase is likely going to be top 20. Â Definition of a "super worker" who can do it all, and charismatic as hell to boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR Ackermann Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Not to criticize, but two weeks ago was he even in your top 100? Based on your list from a few months ago that's a dramatic rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 He's made a big impact. Sometimes you just "know" aka the Jim Breaks effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR Ackermann Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 I felt the same way with Lothario, Black Terry & Negro Navarro. Hase will make my list for sure, but I'm having trouble placing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 I've basically been watching Hase's greatest hits, and ideally I'd also want a sense of what a "typical album track" is like of his too. Â However, I think you can get a sense of what a guy is like over 10+ matches. I have a good idea of what his go-to spots are. I've seen him work face, heel, bully / favourite, plucky underdog, singles, tags, as younger guy and as grizzled vet. Â I can add some more meat to that with further watching, but I think the core of the case is likely those matches I've just reviewed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR Ackermann Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 You should check out some of his 90-92 tag matches with Sasaki. I cant point to any specific ones right now, but I liked a lot of them that made the yearbooks. Its also worth noting that he was very good very quickly. The guy debuted in 86. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 I watched two extremely good Hase / Sasaki tags earlier, see review thread. One features one of the best FIP sequences I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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