How the hell do you guys do it?

[Woof]

I've been watching wrestling for over 30 years. I was a pure mark as a kid in the 80's, came back to it in the late 90's in time to mark out for the attitude era while also immersing myself in the "smart" culture, transitioned into my "workrate" phase during the indie boom of the early 00's, and have settled into an "I just want to be entertained again" old man hammock for the past 6 years or so. I've followed the major American feds closely, dabbled in the indies for stretches, cherry picked some Japan viewing, and at one time or another have given every major promotion/style at least a cursory look. I've even take a few brief stabs at recapping/reviewing some stuff. All in all I feel like I'm a pretty well rounded wrestling fan.

 

And yet in the six months since I discovered this PWO message board and the PWO/PTBN podcasts, I feel like everything I knew – or thought I knew – about wrestling has become a giant dumpster fire of wasted brainwaves. The way some of you guys absorb a match is mind-blowing to me. I read some of the match reviews on this site and I think to myself, "how did they GET that from watching this match? Or worse, "from watching this match ONCE"? I am genuinely in awe of the depth of knowledge that so many of you guys have. I feel like I'm getting a legit wrestling education just by coming here and I gotta say, a lot of what I have learned has enhanced the way I watch stuff nowadays.

 

That being said, I have to ask: How the hell do you still enjoy it if you come at everything with such a hypercritical eye?

 

I can understand being distracted by overly fake or just generally shit looking work. Obviously blown spots can completely take me out of a match. And I feel like if the story is clear enough going in I can usually pick up smaller, subtler details that might enhance my enjoyment of it. But I just can't seem to get my head around how so many of you can plop in a match at random and immediately be conscious of the match structure; of how long the shine segment was, or how effective the heat segment was, or whether or not one guy was carrying the other, or any number of details that at first pass I would find completely distracting to focus on. Is there some great art to watching a match that I simply don't grasp, or have some of you simply accepted that you absorb the product as something different than pure entertainment now and you get enough out of that to make up for whatever mindless joy you might have once got? I'm genuinely curious.

 

How the hell do you do it?

[WingedEagle]

It may not be he answer you're lookong for, but if you're enkoyong what you watch and keep coming back or trying out new stuff Ben after seeing something you don't enjoy then you're doing it right.

[supremebve]

I actually enjoy watching good to great wrestling more being hypercritical than I would just watching it for pure entertainment purposes. As I post more, you guys will probably notice that I analyze even the smallest things to the furthest detail. My personality seems to revolve around the ever repeating asking of "why?" Why do Jumbo Tsuruta's matches always seem to feel so epic. What is it about Randy Savage that makes me buy into everything he does? Why can't I take my eyes off of Steve Austin whenever he is on my screen? I think trying to figure out the answers to those questions is much more interesting than sitting down just for mindless entertainment.

 

With that said, if I'm watching Raw I don't really ask myself those questions. I don't watch Raw weekly, and when I turn it on it is generally for mindless entertainment. If something great happens, I may rewatch it with those questions in mind, but in the moment I'm probably giving it less thought than most people.

 

It is very common for me to watch the same match back to back when I'm watching it critically. I've often find myself so enthralled with a match that I want to go back and understand what it was that hooked me. I wonder what was the tipping point, that took a match from good to great. Some matches do something I've seen thousands of times in a way I've never seen it. Some matches do something I've never seen. Some others do things I've seen thousands of times exactly the same way I've seen, but somehow do it better than anyone else. That discovery is what keeps me coming back.

 

I can watch a match I've seen ten times before and still get something out of it. I get to come to places like this and discuss wrestling with people who may have watched the same exact match and experienced it completely differently than I have. I may have asked why Misawa was one of the greatest offensive wrestlers and someone else could wonder why he didn't sell more. Neither opinion is wrong, but the next time I watch the match it could give me something else to look for. Wrestling is as much about discovery to me as it is about entertainment. My absolute favorite thing about wrestling is when it surprises me. If you were to just watch wrestling and take it for what is shown, you may miss out on a lot of really fun stuff. How many times have you heard someone from WWE or WCW say how much Luger sucked? If you go back and look at his work, Lex Luger was a very good wrestler for a large part of his career. Until about a year ago I had never watched a single Jumbo Tsuruta match, but now I'm pretty sure he's one of the five best wrestlers of all time.

[WingedEagle]

The other thing I'd add that I like about people expounding in such detail about what they like is eventually you figure out who likes the same things you do and can use them as great resources for matches and wrestlers to check out. The opposite also holds true and can help keep you an efficient viewer.

[Mad Dog]

I just accept that I'm going to feel like an idiot more often than not listening to these guys discuss a match.

[goc]

I just watch the shit and say whether I liked it or not. I don't enjoy doing full match recaps or trying to delve too deep into what makes a match work although I have no problem telling you why I don't like a match if I don't enjoy it. The only full recaps I do are on the Southeastern/Continental TV episodes since that stuff is overlooked.

[Wade Garrett]

Been watching this shit for over 50yrs. Always viewed it as a sport. I don't over analyze it because it's rasslin. It was more fun back in the 70's and early 80's. It was rowdy as hell at times at the houseshows. It had character. I still watch for the most part. Only problem I have is a problem with what is considered a pro wrestler today.

 

I stay away from the sheets. That shit is soap opera digest. If I got caught up in that it woulda killed my interest.

[Zenjo]

That being said, I have to ask: How the hell do you still enjoy it if you come at everything with such a hypercritical eye?

 

I can understand being distracted by overly fake or just generally shit looking work. Obviously blown spots can completely take me out of a match. And I feel like if the story is clear enough going in I can usually pick up smaller, subtler details that might enhance my enjoyment of it. But I just can't seem to get my head around how so many of you can plop in a match at random and immediately be conscious of the match structure; of how long the shine segment was, or how effective the heat segment was, or whether or not one guy was carrying the other, or any number of details that at first pass I would find completely distracting to focus on. Is there some great art to watching a match that I simply don't grasp, or have some of you simply accepted that you absorb the product as something different than pure entertainment now and you get enough out of that to make up for whatever mindless joy you might have once got? I'm genuinely curious.

 

How the hell do you do it?

There's no way I'd still be watching wrestling without looking at it through a hypercritical eye as you phrase it. There's only a limited amount of enjoyment to be had from experiencing pro wrestling on the surface level. If following storylines and supporting all the fan favourites is good enough for someone then I don't look down on them. Most pure marks only watch for as long as they're enjoying themselves.

 

The worst place to be is the middle ground. Being a smark isn't about knowing it's a work. Nor about knowing insider terms or backstage gossip. When fans spend all their time complaining and fantasy booking then it's all too easy to forget that it's meant to be fun. Hoping for things that probably won't happen rather than accepting them for what they are. If you don't appreciate what you're seeing then seek a better path.

 

Ultimately what has kept me a fan for over 20 years is a deep love of the art of pro wrestling. I don't mind about knowing the result in advance. It doesn't bother me knowing the match duration or what's about to happen. It's about enjoying the journey. There's pleasure to be had in the extraneous aspects, but match quality is the core. That's why I mainly watch historical wrestling. Expectation of high quality wrestling rather than hope.

 

There's no 'one great art' to watching a match. You're just making personal comparisons against prior experiences and expectations. Finding things that you like or don't like to see. There's many different ways of looking at things, and that's what makes wrestling endlessly fascinating to me. Analysing and determining what constitutes good wrestling is what being a smark really is.

 

I look upon the Yearbook threads as a great tapestry with thousands of layers. All the time people come up with observations and viewpoints that I'd never have considered. Some of them may be fascinating, others pointless or far fetched. The opinions of others naturally shape your own over the course of time. It's all about you though at the end of the day. If trying to view wrestling in a certain way isn't enjoyable then don't do it. The path to enlightenment is about maximising your own wrestling experience.

[dawho5]

Several great points so far.

 

I have read more than a few people's reviews of matches that coincide with my own and found a good amount of really good to great wrestling as a result. You just start to get a feel for why you like wrestling and when you see other people write about similar stuff you are more likely to look into said matches, promos, etc.

 

I think it is important to long term viewing that you look deeper into the why of it also. I know immediately if I enjoy a wrestling match or not. I get glimpses of the why as I go, but second and third viewings tell me a lot more about what catches my eye both good and bad. Through that I get a better idea of why I like pro wrestling and have a better idea of what matches to watch based on others' reviews.

 

And for myself, when I started posting here I very much caught only surface type stuff. I think having the forum with all of the thoughtful looks at different styles of wrestling has helped a lot in my own ability to look at a wrestling match and see the details and overarching stories more than just the great execution of moves. Don't get me wrong, a well-executed suplex or even down to a really good wrestling punch or elbow drop get me excited. I just look at more stuff while that is going on than I used to.

[Johnny Sorrow]

 

That being said, I have to ask: How the hell do you still enjoy it if you come at everything with such a hypercritical eye?

 

I can understand being distracted by overly fake or just generally shit looking work. Obviously blown spots can completely take me out of a match. And I feel like if the story is clear enough going in I can usually pick up smaller, subtler details that might enhance my enjoyment of it. But I just can't seem to get my head around how so many of you can plop in a match at random and immediately be conscious of the match structure; of how long the shine segment was, or how effective the heat segment was, or whether or not one guy was carrying the other, or any number of details that at first pass I would find completely distracting to focus on. Is there some great art to watching a match that I simply don't grasp, or have some of you simply accepted that you absorb the product as something different than pure entertainment now and you get enough out of that to make up for whatever mindless joy you might have once got? I'm genuinely curious.

 

How the hell do you do it?

There's no way I'd still be watching wrestling without looking at it through a hypercritical eye as you phrase it. There's only a limited amount of enjoyment to be had from experiencing pro wrestling on the surface level. If following storylines and supporting all the fan favourites is good enough for someone then I don't look down on them. Most pure marks only watch for as long as they're enjoying themselves.

 

The worst place to be is the middle ground. Being a smark isn't about knowing it's a work. Nor about knowing insider terms or backstage gossip. When fans spend all their time complaining and fantasy booking then it's all too easy to forget that it's meant to be fun. Hoping for things that probably won't happen rather than accepting them for what they are. If you don't appreciate what you're seeing then seek a better path.

 

Ultimately what has kept me a fan for over 20 years is a deep love of the art of pro wrestling. I don't mind about knowing the result in advance. It doesn't bother me knowing the match duration or what's about to happen. It's about enjoying the journey. There's pleasure to be had in the extraneous aspects, but match quality is the core. That's why I mainly watch historical wrestling. Expectation of high quality wrestling rather than hope.

 

There's no 'one great art' to watching a match. You're just making personal comparisons against prior experiences and expectations. Finding things that you like or don't like to see. There's many different ways of looking at things, and that's what makes wrestling endlessly fascinating to me. Analysing and determining what constitutes good wrestling is what being a smark really is.

 

I look upon the Yearbook threads as a great tapestry with thousands of layers. All the time people come up with observations and viewpoints that I'd never have considered. Some of them may be fascinating, others pointless or far fetched. The opinions of others naturally shape your own over the course of time. It's all about you though at the end of the day. If trying to view wrestling in a certain way isn't enjoyable then don't do it. The path to enlightenment is about maximising your own wrestling experience.

 

[NotJayTabb]

I found myself in a position 5 years back where I was probably at my most "casual" in terms of viewership since becoming a smart fan. Basically just watching Raw and Impact if I could be bothered to catch them. Then I found a big box of tapes when I went home and helped my mum clear out her garage, and thought it'd be nice to give them a watch. Thing is, I know I'm easily distracted and that I'd be watching a tape and would start playing with my phone or throwing some toy for the dog, so I decided to start blogging about it. My thinking was that it'd force me to actually pay attention to what was happening on screen and to see if I could still be bothered watching a load of wrestling.

 

The end result was that looking at it like this reminded me why I liked wrestling and really re-ignited my enthusiasm for it. To be honest, I saw myself flaking out after a month or two, but I'm still doing it now and still enjoying it. My big aim was to avoid long pages of play-by-play, which can be a bit overwhelming and not much fun to write, but to write about how I felt about the match as a whole, so that also made me look at what it was I was enjoying/not enjoying about each match. I've pretty much given up on writing about shows I've been to, as I realised I'd rather just go to shows and have fun than be hyper-critical of each match, but analysing matches at home has made me realise what I like in wrestling and has helped me discover more stuff that I like.

[MJH]

To answer the question at hand: there really isn't a whole lot to it. If you watch/listen to a shitload of anything, you develop a better understanding of it.

 

Take... a blues song. The first time you hear it (as in having never heard blues music before) you're probably confused, maybe you enjoy the "vibe" of it, it's not as though it takes up a great deal of time. If you keep listening to Muddy or whomever you'll quickly grasp the basic twelve-bar form, the AAB lyrical structure, whatever. You listen more and you'll pick up on common phrases in the guitar playing, you'll differentiate tones, BB's vibrato, phrases, octave slide, etc. quickly becomes as distinct as say Hank Marvin's wobble on the whammy bar. You listen more, and if you start to play the guitar, you notice how much is pentatonic (99%), who is going 'outside the box' and being chromatic or throwing in jazzier licks or playing the 'wrong' scale, or who's playing licks that fall nicely under the fingers. Maybe you start to find blues music limited in the way one might argue the basic three-part wrestling match or the (ahem) 'Southern tag' formulas are predictable-as-shit, or maybe you appreciate the simplicity. Maybe you start to think SRV was great because of how many different player's styles he was able to amalgamate; or perhaps you start to resent his unoriginality and think for someone who worshipped Hendrix he sure missed the boat on what Jimi was about.

 

The same can apply to any form of music, say, be it the Beatles, Bird, or Beethoven. Ditto film, literature, whatever. To a Frank Kermode, understanding a Shakespeare play was a doddle. To a 14 y/o high school student encountering even Romeo and Juliet for the first time is 'wtf'. But Frank was once that 14 y/o too; he read and read and read and soon it began to make sense, and he kept reading and his knowledge developed and developed and developed.

[SomethingSavage]

I love this place and everything it has to offer, but I try to enjoy the best of both worlds.

Personally, I'm not about to sit down and watch a wrestling match - let alone an entire show - with the direct objective to analyze it, criticize it, or pick it apart. I just can't function that way. It's a hobby, and it's an escape. I want to continue to be enthralled and entertained by that. I'd just drive myself away from it and quickly grow disinterested if I started to treat it like another chore. I've got enough of those.

 

On the other hand? I certainly appreciate the hell out of the guys that tackle the subject that way. I lap up the huge abundance of podcasts this place pumps out, and I find myself immersed in the analytical side of things while listening. I can agree, disagree, and totally see what the hosts & guests see as the discussions roll along.

 

Again, it's just not something I'd actively seek out to do myself. I'm glad there are people who commit to doing that stuff on a regular basis, because it enhances the viewing experience when you can watch a match or show and enjoy it on multiple levels - not just at the surface, but for all the little nuances and fine details as well.

 

The analysis and picking apart of stuff is entirely supplemental for me though. Wrestling is just like movies or theater or any other form of entertainment, really. Of course there are going to be critics, and they offer great insight at times. And I'll always take their opinions into account. But, at the end of the day, that's all any of it really is - the opinions of fellow fans.

 

I'm not about to be swayed from seeing a blockbuster summer movie, just because a critic or two tells me it's garbage. I'll seek it out anyhow - possibly wasting my time in the process - but I'll judge for myself. Same with wrestling. Same with music. Same with anything.

 

So yeah. It sounds like you're letting yourself get overwhelmed about nothing, really. The analysis and reviews are incrrrredibly interesting and insightful to hear, and I love that we've got such an abundance of the stuff right at our fingertips these days. But don't let it turn your fandom into a freaking chore or anything, man.

 

We're all just fans. We all have opinions. We all have favorites. Watch the stuff YOU like. Review the footage YOU want to review. But don't ever let it become a chore. Otherwise, what's the point?

 

Kick back and enjoy as you watch. If you feel inspired to write or talk about it afterwards, then obviously it's worth writing or talking about. If not, then it probably isn't. There's no gun to anyone's head to categorize or compartmentalize every second of footage.

 

Anytime you can't free yourself up to enjoy wrestling and get caught up in the moments as a fan, then you're doing it wrong. Just my two cents.

[Matt D]

I'm going to be earnest about this, as the original poster seemed to be, mainly focusing on two points. Johnny can respond with some kooky animated gif, of course. This is much more about watching older wrestling than live wrestling, by the way, though it applies to both.

 

1. The first is that I kind of watch wrestling like I might watch a play that I love and have seen a number of times. Every production is different. A director might put it in a different era. They might use different numbers. The staging could be different. They could frame the acts differently. And then there are the performances. An actor might go this way or that, might choose one reading or another. You pretty much know the plot, but a lot of the fun is in the individual choices and deviations and whether or not they pull them off.

 

Wrestling is kind of like that. There's a general model in my head for something like a southern tag or a WWE main event title match, and how the actual match deviates from the model is what's interesting. What was the choice that the wrestlers (or agents) made? Why did they make it? What effect did it have on the match? Was it effective? Why was it effective? Why wasn't it? How does it follow with other matches with the same wrestlers? Other matches that are trying to achieve the same things? etc.

 

I get excited for hot tags, but not because I feel emotionally connected to Ricky Morton and want to see Gibson beat up the heels. I get excited to see how they build it, how they make the babyface work for it, the extra hoops, the timing, the crowd reaction. Or I get disappointed if I think any of those things don't pay off right.

 

2. The trick, if you really want to watch wrestling this way, is in finding patterns. You can break down anything in this world to find them; wrestling is no exception. I had no idea about lucha a few years ago, none at all. So I watched matches and I paid attention to what happened and why over ten, twenty, thirty matches, many of them with the same wrestlers, matches that happened one week after the next. Why did they go this direction for one match and that for another? How many times did they go that first direction? What were they trying to accomplish (most matches aren't going out to get a 5* rating from Meltzer after all)? What did they use to try to accomplish it? Did it work? Why did it work or why didn't it? Someone could note all this down and quantify it but that's not really my style.

 

If you keep trying to figure out the whats and the whys (and the whys of the whats), you'll start to notice patterns and from there, it'll be easier to qualify things. Sometimes, that means you end up dogmatic about things.

 

But there's not just one way to stage Hamlet (or, you know, Pirates of Penzance). There might be more dissonance or friction if someone tries to do it differently, and the gain from doing it that way has to be enough to overcome that. Sometimes really daring choices can be hugely exciting.

 

I can't shut that part of my brain off now. I can't really watch a match and just experience it, except for maybe when it's live in the moment, and even then, during something like Bayley vs Sasha, I'll get honestly excited when Sasha's slamming her foot repeatedly into Bayley's hand, but I'll get excited because it's a clever spot that really drives home the story and makes the most of the hand injury, not because Sasha's being particularly nefarious or anything. Sometimes I envy people who can let go more, but I think what Zenjo said was true; if I didn't look at things this way, I probably wouldn't still be watching or enjoying it nearly as much as I do.

[Loss]

When I enjoy something, I want to understand it. And for me, the best way to understand something is to toss up my impressions of it and listen to what other people are saying. It's all a process. All wrestling lives and breathes. What I don't understand -- and I don't mean this in a confrontational way, I just don't understand it -- is what people who don't really consider this approach right for them are looking to get out of a message board about wrestling.

[Loss]

 

 

That being said, I have to ask: How the hell do you still enjoy it if you come at everything with such a hypercritical eye?

 

I can understand being distracted by overly fake or just generally shit looking work. Obviously blown spots can completely take me out of a match. And I feel like if the story is clear enough going in I can usually pick up smaller, subtler details that might enhance my enjoyment of it. But I just can't seem to get my head around how so many of you can plop in a match at random and immediately be conscious of the match structure; of how long the shine segment was, or how effective the heat segment was, or whether or not one guy was carrying the other, or any number of details that at first pass I would find completely distracting to focus on. Is there some great art to watching a match that I simply don't grasp, or have some of you simply accepted that you absorb the product as something different than pure entertainment now and you get enough out of that to make up for whatever mindless joy you might have once got? I'm genuinely curious.

 

How the hell do you do it?

There's no way I'd still be watching wrestling without looking at it through a hypercritical eye as you phrase it. There's only a limited amount of enjoyment to be had from experiencing pro wrestling on the surface level. If following storylines and supporting all the fan favourites is good enough for someone then I don't look down on them. Most pure marks only watch for as long as they're enjoying themselves.

 

The worst place to be is the middle ground. Being a smark isn't about knowing it's a work. Nor about knowing insider terms or backstage gossip. When fans spend all their time complaining and fantasy booking then it's all too easy to forget that it's meant to be fun. Hoping for things that probably won't happen rather than accepting them for what they are. If you don't appreciate what you're seeing then seek a better path.

 

Ultimately what has kept me a fan for over 20 years is a deep love of the art of pro wrestling. I don't mind about knowing the result in advance. It doesn't bother me knowing the match duration or what's about to happen. It's about enjoying the journey. There's pleasure to be had in the extraneous aspects, but match quality is the core. That's why I mainly watch historical wrestling. Expectation of high quality wrestling rather than hope.

 

There's no 'one great art' to watching a match. You're just making personal comparisons against prior experiences and expectations. Finding things that you like or don't like to see. There's many different ways of looking at things, and that's what makes wrestling endlessly fascinating to me. Analysing and determining what constitutes good wrestling is what being a smark really is.

 

I look upon the Yearbook threads as a great tapestry with thousands of layers. All the time people come up with observations and viewpoints that I'd never have considered. Some of them may be fascinating, others pointless or far fetched. The opinions of others naturally shape your own over the course of time. It's all about you though at the end of the day. If trying to view wrestling in a certain way isn't enjoyable then don't do it. The path to enlightenment is about maximising your own wrestling experience.

 

 

 

Come on, he took the time to give a thoughtful response to a question. If you see it differently, that's fine, but it would be cool if you used words to explain why instead of just dismissing him with a GIF.

[Grimmas]

I watch all art the same. Whether it be movies, books, music, wrestling. I enjoy it until something annoys me and then I try to articulate it. Afterward watching the thing I think about rating it and giving more detailed thoughts. In general though, I just try to watch and enjoy wrestling.

 

There is a different mentality when watching something for a podcast where you know you will have to talk about it.

[Woof]

Thanks for the thoughtful responses, guys. For the record, I've been watching wrestling a long time and I, like most of you, have different reactions to what I'm watching depending on whether I'm watching it live or for the 10th time or checking out something from the past that I've only ever heard of but never seen. I don't have a problem with how *I* consume wrestling, because I consume it in a variety of ways.

I guess my initial question is probably more rhetorical in nature than I intended. In reading certain match reviews I come away from the experience thinking, "That's insightful, but also coldly clinical. How does this person enjoy it anymore if all they do is break it down to such a nuts and bolts level". I get that there's an excitement in examining the how's and why's of something that you're passionate about. I do it as well. I just get the impression that for some of you, it's become so much a part of your viewing experience that it seems almost impossible to truly enjoy it the way it was intended. I'm probably just projecting, but it feels like some people have lost the ability to just be entertained because they're too committed to the examination part of it. Not intended as a criticism, mind you. To each their own. I was just curious. Thanks.

[ohtani's jacket]

I enjoy a match every now and again when I think the match was good. I can't understand people who claim to enjoy everything they watch.

[Matt D]

As an aside, I think it could be worth looking at "how it was intended" at some point. In the older stuff we watch, the intention was pretty much to goad a bunch of easily manipulated people into first giving up their money and then feeling good about the fact that they did so that they'll do it again.

[Loss]

Also, if I'm watching something from 30 years ago, I'm already not watching it the way it was intended, which frees me up to look at how they did work it for their intended audience.

[JerryvonKramer]

For my part, in response to the OP, I am automatically analytical about everything. Imagine a constant separate director's commentary track on everything simulataneously deconstructing the thing as it is happening. This is one reason why I hated night clubs and haven't been to one since about 2005, because I could never stop picking apart what was going on, and that is one arena where you just need to "let go" -- never my forte. I cannot "switch off". This is just a function of who I am and that's all there is to it. Didn't even dance at my own wedding beyond the 90 seconds that I had to, and even that was gate-crashed. I can enjoy stufft and be emotionally invested in it, but at the same time the critical mind is constantly asking questions about what's going on, how, why, etc. I guess this is why I love Seinfeld so much because their conversations unpacking the tiniest minuatae of life are pretty close to that inner voice that I have myself. I relate to that very closely, especially the Jerry-George conversations.

 

All that said, I respect the fact that not everyone is like me. I maintain that the fandom is richer for a guy like Johnny who is experitential and anti-analytical to the point of absurdity. His take, you can be sure, is always going to be different. Although after doing 50+ shows with him, I can usually predict it.

[BillThompson]

I view wrestling as art, and while I do maintain a deep emotional connection to art I also love to break it down and explore the why and the what. That's my thing, though I am not one of the better posters around here at it. For me digging deep to formulate a why to the what is highly enjoyable, just as much, if not more, than my initial emotional reaction. A simple response maybe, but for as much as my approach to wrestling is an analytical one I do believe it is a very simple one.

[Guest si oem]

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