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[Tim Evans]

Isn't the reason most of these shows failed was because the promoters billed them as WWE shows and having WWE guys on there? I'm sure the crowd, expecting to see HHH and HBK were thrilled to see guys like Orlando Jordan, Rikishi and Black Pearl.

[tomk]

NWE is not some mystery organization:

 

http://nwewrestling.homedns.org/

[S.L.L.]

NWE is not some mystery organization:

 

http://nwewrestling.homedns.org/

I'm still trying to remember where the notion that it was a mystery promotion came from.

 

Want to say it was one of those Jim Brambilla things where he had not heard about something, and therefore concluded that nobody had heard about it, even when confronted with evidence that Meltzer had been talking about it regularly in the Observer. Or I might be confusing Jim with frankp316(sp?) doing the same, with the addition of his "all of Meltzer's important stuff is put on the website" bit, thus dismissing anything in the Observer proper. In any case, not actually something that was unknown, at least not a few years ago. Outside of the Warrior comeback, haven't heard much on that front lately, so maybe the winners got to write history.

[Kronos]

"If offered a choice between BJ Whitmer and Jerry Lynn, I choose Mark Henry."

 

-Death From Above

Your sig quote is less amusing now than even a year ago for me, SLL. I think Henry is actually doing good work these days. He was solid on both Unforgiven and No Mercy. I never, ever would have imagined I would be saying such a thing. . .

[Guest DietSoda]

I don't think that quote means he thinks/thought Henry sucks/sucked.

[Log]

More likely Bruno is aware that Kurt Angle is a gold medalist:

 

Angle isn’t in because of Dave’s “legitimacy” markdom.

 

Meltzer in his piece describing the difference between the various wrestling HOFs pointed out that what he thinks makes his “special” is the number of voters inside the biz. Angle is in because a large percentage of the Observer voters are people in the biz.

 

Angle is in because insecure pro wrestlers (people inside the biz) are legitimacy marks. Ole writes in his book how none of these guys today could have headline Georgia back in his day because they don’t know how to work and then makes the exception of Kurt Angle. Not because Angle works like Ole but because saying that is functional equivalent of saying “Yeah that stuff I did where I cut the ring in half and such, that’s just like gold level Olympic athletics.”

 

No way to do a HOF voted on by proffesional carnys without Angle getting in.

Even if Angle did nothing but SSPs and barbed wire bat shots, you'd have a hard time finding a wrestling veteran who wouldn't want to put him over. This Olympian gold medalist has great cardio much like I did back in the day when my opponents struggled to keep up with me.

 

That's funny. I was just watching previews for Flair's shoot, and he says this almost exactly.

[BruiserBrody]

 

Starcade 86 UPDATE. Fat Tony lists Ronnie Garvin and Dusty as the 2 men in consideration to Face Ric Flair. Apparently Nikita swooped in as a dark horse.

 

Also features a "drunk" Jimmy Valient talking about being in 'NAM like the Ragin Bull

 

AWESOME stuff!

[Death From Above]

I always thought the quote was a Jerry Lynn burial myself. And Whitmer, but honestly he's not even an afterthought. ROH has never meant a fucking thing to me outside of the odd American Dragon match, or Paul London back in the day.

[Indikator]

Found this in an old newsletter

 

Public Enemy vs. The Sheepherders - Guaynabo, P.R.; 1/06/99

 

For some reason I really want to see TPE vs Bushwhackers in Puerto Rico. Or Bushwackers in Puerto Rico in general. Is this on DVD? Or anything by those teams on that island for that matter?

[Tim Evans]

There is some on youtube from when they went to WWC after the Bushwackers run.

[BruiserBrody]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIeEqtJZCzs

 

Here's the semi famous Kitao vs Tenta mini shoot from 1991

[Loss]

I watched part of RAW this week.

 

Have they mentioned John Cena "retiring" Chris Jericho previously as part of the build to this match at all?

 

Jericho's promo where he said Cena has never beaten him was really strange.

 

It seems like such an obvious route to go, I don't understand why they're not mentioning it at all.

[Strummer]

Anyone else think they are going to go the Edge/Vickie route with Jericho/Stephanie?

 

Something is going down Sunday because Cena isn't jobbing clean and I don't think Jericho is losing the title for a second time in a month

[Boondocks Kernoodle]

I watched part of RAW this week.

 

Have they mentioned John Cena "retiring" Chris Jericho previously as part of the build to this match at all?

 

Jericho's promo where he said Cena has never beaten him was really strange.

 

It seems like such an obvious route to go, I don't understand why they're not mentioning it at all.

Maybe they subscribe to Hogan's belief Re: Warrior that mentioning that you've defeated someone before is "the ultimate no-no in this business."

 

Anyone else think they are going to go the Edge/Vickie route with Jericho/Stephanie?

I don't think HHH would let his wife portray some other dude's love interest on TV. He knows how that often ends. Besides which, if she leaves her lotion at home now she can have one of her writing team goons get it.

[kjh]

Well, he wouldn't let Jericho play Stephanie's new love interest six and a half years ago, so I doubt he would let him play it now. Maybe Jericho could play Stephanie's pussywhipped business partner again?

[Indikator]

Snippet from the WWF Global Warefare tape during the post match scenes of Crush vs Shawn Michaels. Sean Mooney (I think) & Savage & Heenan on commentary, after a Dusty Finish happened

 

....

Savage: This is what I call highway robbery

Heenan: That's kinda like going out with a girl..... that's like going out with an ugly girl.... you may (couldn't understand this part completely)... but it's not gonna do him anything good

Mooney: Well you are certainly an expert in that area

Heenan: You bet! .... *3 second pause* .... I mean.... caught in the action, not ugly girl. What are you talking about?

Mooney: I saw you last night

[Bix]

The best part of that tape is the commentary for Steiners vs Money Inc. in Spain when they inexplicably cut to a crowd shot for several minutes. Great stuff with Heenan angry that they're staring at "the Ramon family" or something like that as Monsoon and Savage (I think) note that it's not the Ramon family's fault.

[Bix]

From the new WON:

 

Known at the time as “The Dusty Finish,” the ending of that match had been around since the 60s, if not earlier, and was actually a great finish when done on rare occasion. It was a classic for world title matches where fans would visually see the local babyface challenger actually pin the world champion, who would escape based on a fluke. Historically, business would be up months later when the match would be rematched in the same city.

But Rhodes did it so often it became predictable and it was actually a big part of the killing of the Carolinas, as well as St. Louis. At one point in Greensboro, he booked that finish on more than half the cards during a calendar year. It was the same thing in most of the markets they ran, since they largely did the same finishes every night. After the fifth or sixth time in a year when they did that finish, I was at a show in Greensboro and it was the wrong kind of heat. Yet they continued to misread it, thinking the huge pop for the babyface winning, and then it being taken away would get people to come back to see the rematch as that finish, when done on rare occasions, had proven to do. But crowds kept falling.

I knew it was bad, but I didn't know it was THAT bad.

[Loss]

The sad thing is that it does have a stigma attached to it now, because doing it occasionally would probably be a good idea in the right circumstances now.

[WrestlingPower]

The other thing they liked to do back then was have matches like MX vs. RNR where the RNR would jump them during the ring intros, win the match over the champions, and only after the pin happened announce it was a non-title. I saw a show live where they didn't even bother with the announcement after, the RNR just left with the belts and the fans were left to wonder whether they MX just won them back before the next TV or whatever. I was a total mark at the time but smart enough to know the TV was a couple weeks behind. I remember waiting for the change to be acknowledged on TV but it never was. I think a non-Apter mag came out soon thereafter covering a situation in another arena like that and explained that it was non-title or they found some way to return the belts once they got backstage.

 

So yeah they used to do this stuff all the time.

[Cox]

From last week's classic WON:

 

Lots going on here. Chris Love was fired on Wednesday although I've got no idea what the story is, but he took Eric Fontaine with him and the PYTs are history, although Randy Rhodes is still in the area as a singles wrestler.

Ewwwwwwwwww.

[Bix]

The best things that Dave ever wrote in the Observer:

 

At least in the case of Dave, the fans took him over the top after HHH handpicked him to be a future star. Why? Great in-ring? Great speaking? In Rhodes' smaty record to WWE experience in 8,000.

Angle mentioned that he did wrestle in the Olympics and in WrestleMania with similar injuries. This leader it's character girl. She's not 25 years old any longer. Even though Angle seems to get injured every few months, his long-term is something that has almost been taken for granted...

[S.L.L.]

So after he decided that competitive video gaming was also a form of pro wrestling, Dave decided to start moonlighting as a Japanese video game translator?

 

"Randy Orton used a keylock. It might be handy if he - the master of unlocking - takes it with him."

[Loss]

I'm not a gamer at all and don't get the joke. Anyone fill me in?

[S.L.L.]

I'm not a gamer at all and don't get the joke. Anyone fill me in?

They just sounded very "Engrish-y" to me. Like something you would see in the localization of a Japanese-made video game back in the days before games were big enough business that companies would actually put money into doing half-decent translations of the dialog:

 

"Jill, here's a lockpick. It might be handy if you, the master of unlocking, take it with you."

 

"A winner is you."

 

"All your base are belong to us."

 

"You spoony bard!"

 

"Eastmost penninsula is the secret"

 

"This guy are sick."

 

"I, Garland, will knock you all down!"

 

"Conglaturation !!! You have completed a great game. And prooved the justice of our culture. Now go rest our heroes."

 

"The truck have started to move!"

 

"Get a silk bag from the graveyard duck to live longer."

 

"VICTOLY!"

 

And so on and so forth.

 

"In Rhodes' smaty record to WWE experience in 8,000." and "This leader it's character girl. She's not 25 years old any longer." seem right at home with that bunch. And well, it's not hard for me to imagine Meltzer - completely divorced from reality - watching "The King of Kong" and deciding the lesson of 200X was that wrestling needed to compete with competitive video gaming by doing more to emulate video games.