jdw Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Does this sound like Dutch: "Core audience is male, 18 to 30 or whatever." Talking about "core audience" is a more modern concept, at least in being written like that. Perhaps Dutch has stayed up to day on lingo like that and incorporated it into his writing. Doesn't seem likely, though. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Not that Heyman is not two faced. But he has been cheerleading this angle on facebook and twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Dutch is in touch with things at least on Facebook but I'm just throwing out names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Understood. Was just thinking that the elements of the writing don't sound like someone who is 61. Though perhaps the time in PR (where he / folks for him pimped the ratings) and TNA (which is so TV lingo insane) have brought him up to date. I'd also forgotten that he took a WON Booker of the Year Award for PR... hmmm... Dutch wiki page: Mantel was awarded the 2002 Wrestling Observer Newsletter award of Booker of the Year for his dual achievements of drawing huge crowds to IWA big stadium shows (12 to 15 thousand fans) and for his ratings successes on Puerto Rican TV, which equaled prime time numbers, even though the show aired on weekend afternoons. WON Awards wiki page: Best Booker 2001 Jim Cornette (OVW) 2002 Paul Heyman (WWE) 2003 Jim Cornette (OVW) 2004 Gabe Sapolsky (ROH) 2005 Gabe Sapolsky (ROH) 2006 Gabe Sapolsky (ROH) 2007 Gabe Sapolsky (ROH) Okay... it is pretty funny that Dutch (or someone else editing his Wiki page) stole Paul's 5th of 5 Booker of the Year Awards. "It's not like Paul will miss it..." -Dutch Anyway, setting aside the joking... if Dutch corresponds with Dave, and given Dutch's time in TNA (which is pretty obsessive about core audience stuff), then it's possible that Dutch is up to spend and that's him. Does Dutch appear to keep up with the WWE? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Dutch was on a podcast with Lagana and seemed to have an understanding of the Punk angle. Wasn't Dutch on the booking team in TNA when Punk was their? If that was the case he didn't get a major push there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Punk got fired for the Hart brawl right as his big push was starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Again, if they saw money in him I don't think they would have fired him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 I'm reading the Jerry Jarrett book on the first year of TNA and he copies a lot of emails he would send to Jeff, Wade Keller, etc. and he uses LOL in caps a lot in these emails. So I wouldn't be shocked if it was Jerry Jarrett, especially since he was just on the WON Radio show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 I'm about 90% sure it's Jarrett. The pieces fit him better than anyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I think the line about dates points towards Jarrett. He was always a big believer in promoting to women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Again, if they saw money in him I don't think they would have fired him. It was a very public brawl and TNA was trying to maintain a good reputation in the community at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 What is the story with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I think the line about dates points towards Jarrett. He was always a big believer in promoting to women.Yeah, and the substance of the "Where are the blow jobs?" conversation was that more female fans means more male fans going with them as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 What is the story with that? Hart antagonized him outside of I think it's called the Whitetrash Cafe and Punk attacked him. Sabu broke it up. Hart was fired immediately and Punk was essentially depushed and gone in a week or two. Now, there's a lot of conflicting info because Hart people and Punk people have been spinning from day 1. But that's about the most neutral version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 In that wacky Teddy Hart interview he did a month or so back he goes into a lot of detail about it. The gist is he said he had a bad attitude/was immature at the time so he kind of took the blame for the issues starting. Said he respected Punk for being the only guy who didn't like him who had the balls to actually slap him like he said he would. Also said sometime back they buried the hatchet and are buds now, also confirmed that he did indeed buy CM Punk a spiffy track suit as a peace offering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Punk got fired for the Hart brawl right as his big push was starting. Wait, so the whole "Punk chose ROH over TNA" bit that Punk and Gabe used to love talking about after Feinstein-Gate is BS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 50% at least. Those events were weeks apart and Punk was severely in the doghouse for that. I reread and I might have been wrong about him getting fired. He did get taken off tv after that which is probably why I thought he got fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Yeah, he wasn't being used after the Hart fight but he was still under contract to them then a month or so later TNA pulled all their guys from ROH over the RF deal and he quit to go with ROH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Solid Johnny Barend bio in the 2nd WON that came out today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Yep. Good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 So, Edge is probably the N°1 or 2 guy as far as number of great matches on TV, commanded the audience in a way Dave barely ever saw before, and was a great worker. So, what is Dave smoking exactly ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 So, Edge is probably the N°1 or 2 guy as far as number of great matches on TV, commanded the audience in a way Dave barely ever saw before, and was a great worker. So, what is Dave smoking exactly ? Are you sure he didnt mean Eddy and not Edge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Didn't you know rovert, that he's better than Dick Murdoch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Edge had more great matches on TV than Jumbo? Or Kobashi? Kawada? Misawa? Er... John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Edge had more great matches on TV than Jumbo? Or Kobashi? Kawada? Misawa? Er... John Sorry, he actually said "PPV", not TV. Mea culpa maxima. That said, it doesn't change anything about my reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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