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Am I wrong in assuming the end of Harts/Strike Force seemed hyped as a potential hidden gem all these years? Like it had gone on for a 15-30 minute classic after the show had gone off the air? And when you could finally see the pinfall, it was pretty much seconds after the last of the Main Event credits rolled. Or was it just complaining about seemingly lost forever footage, no matter how insignificant the length was, or complaining that the finish was never aired, despite not being a title change? Funny as long as I've been trading (which seems like forever), the end of that match not being available never came across my radar as being valued or important like other "lost treasures" have been mythologized over the years. Might just be me though.

Kayfabe version in my own head: In an Ironman match, best to submit early so as not to have too much damage done to whatever part is being worked on, hence quicker recovery time for the guy giving up the fall. Plus it gets the bad guy's submission hold over a bit, since it actually works on a top opponent for once. I always looked at a submission in a multiple fall match like that. They are rare rare events to happen to top end babyfaces in one fall matches. Martel submitting the AWA title to Hansen always come to my mind, and in the sense that the match itself is nothing special, it did the job of making it memorable outside of the title change portion.

Are you sure cos I reff remember then releasing Bio vids like Jesse Ventura, Kurt Angle and many others. That was WWF Home Video, not Coliseum, which as Migs says died in 1997. Regardless if Home Video versions exist unedited they should show them. You should probably write your representative in the House of Lords and ask him to look into that.

Decent price point on them? My choice of brand and speed is apparently no longer being made so I will be searching for an acceptable alternative once my current lot is used up.

Maybe it's because I saw Zenk start out in the AWA and watched him as "Zenk" up until that point but I never put together what Z-man could sound like until I read this just now (and the connotation attached to it which also fits disturbingly well for him). Signed, "The guy that took the screen name 'khawk' as a homage to his favourite NHL team, as opposed to how it sounds if you say it quickly which he didn't realize until it was pointed out to him several years later..."

That's nuts.

Youtube is blocked for me at work (so frustrating) or I'd hit you with the MikeMcGirkoff one.

"MikeMcGirkoff" has a similar channel if you are looking for WWF House shows, that one came up in my feed about the time Wrestling Collector went down.

lol...

He was a much bigger deal as a wrestler in MACW (and I think Florida too) in the 70's than he was in the 80's. I think most will remember his feud vs. Jimmy Valiant more than anything else. RIP.

It could be as simple as there was a flaw in their blank master tape/reel that carried through the first part of that first match before correcting itself. I remember buying new vhs tapes that would occasionally have a fault in it. Never ealized there was a problem until I went back and checked the tape. It's possible they had the same problem that one time.

Wow. That's a big one. RIP.

It would be a solid move but I have my doubts that the WWE can be patient enough to let that build for a year. It wouldn't surprise me if Summerslam or the Survivor Series is as long as they could execute a build between the two without feeling they had to have the match happen. If they can do a full build to Mania that would be great, but I'm skeptical.

Always tells me I've maxed out my quota for the day even when I haven't liked anything or have just logged in. Hard times indeed.

I enjoyed the Fort Worth TV, I used to get it on KTVT on Saturday nights when I had the big dish.

Not sure why but I thought this premiered on the 15th but it airs tonight on HBO Canada at 10 pm. Same in the U.S. I assume?

Exactly. At this point, it bothers me more that I know people that don't watch wrestling or know anything about it that will watch this and see the presentation of how things evolved and have no idea what the mistakes/falsehoods are. And though as non-fans they won't absorb it, when you hear the same narratives over and over... It's minor at this point in my own viewing, I know history is written by the victors. Hopefully it's not that bad.

TSN Wrestling featuring the AWA ran from the network debut in 1984 through early 1986. It was an exclusive show to that network, with about 90 percent of the matches being broadcast from the Winnipeg arena monthly card. Standard format was 1) arena match from the previous card, 2) classic match from the past (between 1980 and 1984, all form Winnipeg), 3) Main event match (again from previous card). After the AWA was forced out of Winnipeg the TSN show changed briefly to a WWF show out of the Winnipeg arena.I don't think it lasted long. The WWF only came a couple of times a year and could not have sustained original content like the AWA did. With Canadian Content rules in place that likely is how TSN moved forward...I believe Stampede came next. The local Winnipeg show ran arena clips from Winnipeg as well but may have started only in the middle of 1984, that is the earliest footage of the Winnipeg show I have been able to find outside of the TSN show. The arena clips on the local tv show were shown around the interviews and promoted the upcoming card. Their TV later was squash matches and the odd angle taped out of a local high school gym. They also would broadcast major angles from regular AWA TV but occasionally did their own thing. Larry Z turned on Bockwinkel in Winnipeg on a TV angle, for example, as opposed to the Atlantic city Nunchakus angle that the rest of the AWA saw. Pre-1984 Winnipeg TV footage is somewhat scarce (frustratingly, it's like nobody in that city owned a VCR before 1984) so if they may have with more of a regular AWA TV show before 1984, but Canadian Content rules might also have dictated they do more local things. TSN retaining the rights to the Winnipeg footage it showed is entirely possible but they seem to have no plans to use it. TSN is affiliated to a degree with ESPN so a similar agreement being in place could definitely be a thing. Hope that helps some. The TSN rights thing is definitely in play, not that it means much if they don't ever intend on using it.

He was but there has been nothing new uploaded for 5 months or so. He was putting it up in bunches for weeks. I assume he just ran out of footage he had grabbed himself to put up.

Thanks. The Tito-Bock match is fun, and fairly long for a JIP.

Nick what matches are those? youtube is blocked at work for me (annoying as HELL) so I can only see the dates. Thanks. I will update my Winnipeg spread sheet this weekend if I manage some time.

I do have a spreadsheet of everything that I found over the years from Winnipeg, but I have not updated it in a long time. More things have appeared in the last few years (The full Brunzell-Bockwinkel 60 minute draw from 81and A new Blackwell-Bravo match, for example). They seem to have recorded all their house show stuff from at least 1980, and used the bits and pieces from the arena in their TV back in the day (like St. Paul matches were used as arena bits on the Minnesota version of the TV). I had wondered if the Winnipeg stuff was held by TSN so the WWE would maybe not have had access to the footage the same as the rest of the library (or if TSN has rights to show it too). Flair-Bock only aired on TSN JIP but obviously they have the full match so that's one for sure I expect to see sometime. There is film of the High Flyers winning the tag titles in 1977 from Winnipeg so there should be stuff fomr the 70's around too...like Verne and Mad Dog winning the AWA tag titles in Winnipeg from Patterson and Stevens, for example. Lots of potential there. Would love to see a block of AWA Arena shows put out in a network drop (and I think that is more likely than the actual AWA TV being released in a drop at this point). The Matysik thing in the Andre-Bock match... I actually thought was Steve O on commentary for a long time on the JIP that has been out there (Steve O did do some while his wrist healed from surgery and they sound quite similar). If Larry is actually at the match pre or post, I have no idea why he was there. If it was a voice over, maybe it was something he grabbed from Verne to show on TV.