El McKell

I'm not exactly sure who's missing but there are 640 threads for nominees and 639 people on the list in this thread

There did seem to be a lot more 80s AJW footage around on yotube/dailymotion a year ago, with AJW having folded you wouldn't think stuff would get taken down too quickly. I saw an insane sprint of a match between Jaguar Yokota and a very young Chigusa Nagayo on youtube over a year ago, gave it ****1/2, and I've never seen anyone talk about it anywhere nor can I find it online anymore and I'm starting to think it was some sort of hallucination.

I'm not rating Dean because I don't think he's particularly special. Who cares if he's overrated or underrated, he has no charisma/personality, his matches often feel like they don't have any sort of story, emotion or sense of escalation.

1. Kawada 2. Flair 3. Kobashi 4. Hansen 5. Misawa 6. Tenryu 7. Jumbo 8. Terry Funk 9. Jerry Lawler 10.Rey Mysterio Jr Ted DiBiase at 79th

You can't give Orton a zero for his peak. Maybe I'm crazy, but in 2011 I think was probably the second best wrestler in the world, having the best singles matches in the careers of Christian, Kane and Mark Henry.

Yeah I messed that up when nominating him because for some reason I always get it in my head that that's how his name should be. On the subject of Japanese names, I know this thread isn't for this but, why do we say Ashura Hara and Fujita Jr Hayato but reverse the name order on almost everyone else's names?

I wouldn't put JBL on my list but another really cool performance from him that hasn't been mentioned in this thread is teaming with TAKA to face Togo, Men's Teioh and Funaki at Over the Edge 1998 http://vk.com/video-57741721_166799980?list=2ea71aa5c70e9ef87f

Kevin Nash?

Tetsuya Naito: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/25307-tetsuya-naito-vs-tomohiro-ishii-njpw-021114/ http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/32725-aj-styles-vs-tetsuya-naito-wrestle-kingdom-9/ http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2016/01/04/njpw-wrestle-kingdom-10-review/

This would be gold, book it. Could actually be an improvement for AJ Styles' hair.

It's very possible that not all of these guys will make my list but right now they're all more likely to be on it than not. Cena, Samoa Joe, Orton, Triple H, Undertaker, Brock, Generico, AJ Styles, KENTA, Jericho, Rollins, Cesaro, Austin Aries, Shinsuke Nakamura. Does Sting count?

I'd consider him the number 1 worker since 2010. I'll probably be the high vote on Tanahashi, he's definitely in my top 10, could finish as high as 4th but probably not.

My issue is, what if they turn out like Kurt Angle and go from really good to the dirt worst? If we did this poll in 98, Shawn Michaels would be on my list. Doing it in 2016 he is not, due to his awful run post comeback. This is why I'm not voting for someone in their prime. For me, the post-prime does nothing to diminish what he achieved before that which why HBK is making my list. I'm convinced that negatives over-index in our thinking. I think the post comeback proves he was not a smart worker and relied on his athleticism. I prefer workers who play to their strengths and don't look awful, because they are dumb. The Rockers were really good and I liked his original heel DX run. Don't like him at all as a babyface outside of Rockers run. Plus, personally, I dislike the person a lot. ​But we still don't know if CM Punk and Daniel Bryan would've sucked when they're 40. Why is retiring prematurely different than still being in your prime?

I'm gonna be voting for guys in their prime I don't see what difference it makes, we just have to judge everyone based on what we've seen of them. Why does it matter that Danielson said he's retired, his career up to this point is exactly the same either way. Also, holy shit when this started CM Punk was an active wrestler, we've been doing this a long time.

It's not bonus points, it's points for different roles and styles which isn't something Misawa is gonna excel in, or Abby when I think about it but Parv's gotta give him the points for being the kinda character that had to move from territory to territory to continue to be a draw.

If you want excuses to deduct Undertaker points you could remove the +1 for ability to work tags, because since when was Undertaker ever good in tags beside that one Shield match and at a stretch the SNME match w/Flair against Sid and Hogan. Unless that +1 is going to basically everyone who worked tag matches, then ignore me.

Yes. I think that The Undertaker is better than Vader.

​I will watch whatever Necro in IGF stuff you think I should if you can provide me a way of watching Bob Sapp vs Necro Butcher

Not gonna rank either of them but I think Super Dragon is significantly better. Although Necro does create a great sense of danger about everything he does it doesn't often translate into an overall entertaining performance to me. I think Necro Butcher has quite a lot of really bad matches and only a couple of gems like the Super Dragon and Low Ki matches (The Samoa Joe match is fine but I don't love it like a lot of people)

Rey Mysterio

I'm against the minus points because it'll look dumb when someone appears on a couple of bollots and has a score of -6 or whatever. It's not actually a punishment anymore than 0 is when you increase all the other scores by one, the results would be identical. You could give -50 for not appearing -49 for being 100th and so on that wouldn't be any sort of a punishment for not being top 50

​But can't you say the exact same thing with the roles reversed for 03-05 NOAH

I have been sold on this. The five minute Gangrel episode will be must listen stuff. Is Gangrel even nominated?

What? Doesn't weighting it mean that you can do better while appearing on fewer ballots? Shouldn't luchadores be hurt for failing to appeal to everyone? Can you suggest a system where 'great luchadores' aren't hurt because some people leave them off other than just disregarding ballots that dont' include Negro Casas?

Yeah it does seem weird to not drop off as gradually as possible. 5 point variance to 4 points to 3 and so on. Edit: actually no it's not