El McKell

Someone in another thread said they put Kana/Asuka in their top 10 and if Lance Storm had been nominated he would've been top 20. Do you think you can out weird that?

Haven't listened to all of this or even half of it, but it's great so far. And spoiler alert for my list Steven is not the high vote on CM Punk as he says he might be.

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How is Roddy Piper vs Mr. T from Wrestlemania 2 not in this bottom 60?

​I will watch whatever Necro in IGF stuff you think I should if you can provide me a way of watching Bob Sapp vs Necro Butcher This request was ignored, but it no longer matters because my stupid dreams to watch a shitty match have come true.

Just watched that Hase-Chono match and I have no doubt that reading this thread killed my ability to enjoy it because i was thinking about what people said and what i thought of the match the whole time. ​Anyway, Hase's working over the neck section was kinda annoying because of how many times he just picks Chono up to hit another move I wish he would go for a cover once in a while, he doesn't go for a single pin during this section, he hits 4 neckbreakers, 2 stunners, a jawbreaker and a piledriver. ​Chono working over Hase's leg is far far more compelling, Hase does an awesome job selling and unlike Chono, he fights back, he looks for the armbar and rollup and also hits a random insane top rope northern lights suplex. Throwing away the kneepad made no sense but it was awesome, same goes for having his ankle bandage on outside of his boot. ​Hase waving photographers out of the way before they start rolling towards the ropes for the first figure-4 that ended up on the outside was dumb as fuck. ​Chono's breathing is headwrecking. ​Also my enjoyment of this match was hurt by the fact that my internet died with about 1 minute left and I had to watch the last minute about 2-3 minutes later. ​I can't give a star rating because it's impossible for me to compare a match where all I was thinking about this thread the whole time to the way I normally watch matches. I'll have to watch it again years from now when I've forgotten all about this to throw snowflakes on it.

This was exactly my point I think using the average score out of all ballots turned in not just ballots each wrestler appear on would be the best way it accounts for no only the wrestlers average ranking but also their overall standing with all voters sure it may be unfair to some wrestlers from underrepresented regions but, the voting in general isn't set up to protect for that as is because balloting isn't segregated into voting regions/blocks ala WON HOF voting. If you use average score of all ballots you will end up with a tie again. if both wrestlers got say 200 points and you divide that by the total number of ballots the tie will not be broken Yeah I'm saying to not use the weighted point system for the tie breaker so a #1 rank = 100 points and a #100 rank = 1 point and so on then a non-rank = 0 points then average based on all ballots Oh ok sorry my bad

This was exactly my point I think using the average score out of all ballots turned in not just ballots each wrestler appear on would be the best way it accounts for no only the wrestlers average ranking but also their overall standing with all voters sure it may be unfair to some wrestlers from underrepresented regions but, the voting in general isn't set up to protect for that as is because balloting isn't segregated into voting regions/blocks ala WON HOF voting. If you use average score of all ballots you will end up with a tie again. if both wrestlers got say 200 points and you divide that by the total number of ballots the tie will not be broken

The 'Mark from Peep Show' vibe. Holy shit that is so accurate.

I second this, when I was like 16 or 17 I found an old LP of squeeze's greatest hits that my mam had and it was just so awesome. If you aren't gonna check out the full best of at least listen to Up The Junction. Anyway as far as best single disc greatest hits collection of wrestlers not making my ballot, probably Roderick Strong or Toshiyo Yamada or if Austin Aries ends up not making the cut it'd be him.

I think that it should be whoever appears on the most ballots largely because we have opted for a system that potentially undervalues simply appearing on a ballot, because there are so few points for being at the bottom of a ballot despite the fact that it means a wrestler is being ranked ahead of more than 500 other nominees.

Dean Allmark was nominated

Wait what? I should've paid more attention to the Tag Team Nominees, this is a travesty of justice.

I'm not great at self-reflection but I think I sorta came to a realization about what makes a great wrestler to me that is similar to what supremebve is talking about above. If it seems like a wrestler is doing the right thing but the match as a whole isn't enhanced by it, I'm pretty sure it's not actually worth anything. If it seems like they're doing the wrong thing but it doesn't hurt my enjoyment of the match then it wasn't really the wrong thing. How good the end product is is what matters to me not so much the process. This doesn't mean simply saying A had better matches than B and therefore is a better wrestler because I have been thinking about the opportunity to have good matches, mostly in terms of the quality of opponents but also in terms of length and positioning of the match. This has sorta turned into a ramble about what criteria am I using to form my list. Who knows what I really learned, if anything.

Well maybe this has been proved wrong, I like Jimmy and El McKell. You shouldn't, Ted DiBiase isn't in my 100 greatest wrestlers ever.

There's no way in hell I could choose anything other than post 1996, how can I decide to rule out all future matches, especially when much of the stuff considered the absolute best is stuff I've already seen. If I had to choose between watching stuff pre 2016 or 2016 onward I would choose 2016 onward.

​The El Generico match from Chikara's King of Trios 2011

I'm not exactly sure who's missing but there are 640 threads for nominees and 639 people on the list in this thread

There did seem to be a lot more 80s AJW footage around on yotube/dailymotion a year ago, with AJW having folded you wouldn't think stuff would get taken down too quickly. I saw an insane sprint of a match between Jaguar Yokota and a very young Chigusa Nagayo on youtube over a year ago, gave it ****1/2, and I've never seen anyone talk about it anywhere nor can I find it online anymore and I'm starting to think it was some sort of hallucination.

I'm not rating Dean because I don't think he's particularly special. Who cares if he's overrated or underrated, he has no charisma/personality, his matches often feel like they don't have any sort of story, emotion or sense of escalation.

1. Kawada 2. Flair 3. Kobashi 4. Hansen 5. Misawa 6. Tenryu 7. Jumbo 8. Terry Funk 9. Jerry Lawler 10.Rey Mysterio Jr Ted DiBiase at 79th

You can't give Orton a zero for his peak. Maybe I'm crazy, but in 2011 I think was probably the second best wrestler in the world, having the best singles matches in the careers of Christian, Kane and Mark Henry.

Yeah I messed that up when nominating him because for some reason I always get it in my head that that's how his name should be. On the subject of Japanese names, I know this thread isn't for this but, why do we say Ashura Hara and Fujita Jr Hayato but reverse the name order on almost everyone else's names?

I wouldn't put JBL on my list but another really cool performance from him that hasn't been mentioned in this thread is teaming with TAKA to face Togo, Men's Teioh and Funaki at Over the Edge 1998 http://vk.com/video-57741721_166799980?list=2ea71aa5c70e9ef87f

Kevin Nash?