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The "indie style" is the default style in every company in the US, UK/Europe, and also a lot of Japan, and lucha is lucha so idk why you'd even bother with current wrestling as it must be really miserable for you to watch, @Coffey

I don't know what the fuck is wrong with me but my god I enjoyed a Fuji vs Angelo Mosca match from late 1984 :titus

Personally I'd much rather that have led to New Day vs Hurt Business six man than Lashley/E in a cage which will almost assuredly also have a fuck finish to do a rematch for Saudimania

Big E did not come out of that match looking good at all. Lashley dominated him and then would have beat him completely clean had Kofi not brawled his way into the ring. Not sure that's a great way to kick off a title reign, especially for a power guy.

Another thing with Cody that makes people roll their eyes is that every match of his has to have some kind of fuckery finish. They can't just end like a normal match. There has to be some bullshit with Arn or a turnbuckle or foreign object or or or. Strong Double J vibes.

The options for what happened in the main event: 1. Act of God. 2. Shoddy craftsmanship from the WWE ring crew. 3. Someone was able to loosen the top turnbuckle. Presumably in this case all would be loosened just in case. This could be a member of The Bloodline, Paul E., someone tipped off in the ring crew, or someone unrelated out to get Balor. 4. The spirt of the Demon adds so much density to Balor's body that it broke the ropes. I would like to believe the answer is 1 or 4.

Cody has had the vibe of undeserving since his initial indie run and getting pushed everywhere as the biggest deal despite having done nothing but be Dusty's kid from WWE, then latching himself to the Bullet Club teat and benefiting from all that without having put in any of the work to build it, booking himself to win the NWA Championship on his own show, then when AEW starts kicks things off with that HHH entrance, gets an entrance theme to his entrance theme, gets his own entrance tunnel, keeps saying he's his own man and doesn't want to live off his father's legacy while AEW uses everything they possibly can from Dusty, all leading to Cody finally using the Rhodes name and then American Dream moniker. Not to mention the very self indulgent promos and all of his stuff being so disconnected in its own pocket universe on the shows. Then the previews for his own reality show make him come off as a man child moron constantly overstepping his boundaries. There's an awful lot to not like about Cody.

Good work for the sake of good work with nothing attached can be awesome in 5-10 minute matches. But doing that for 25 minutes falls flat almost anywhere, imo. Even in front of crowds that are predisposed to good work for the sake of good work. Malenko in general is a good example in general where WCW would just send him out to fill time and he'd go through all the motions of a match with no angle, no stakes, show no personality, and the crowds wouldn't give a shit. But then you have something like Dean vs Ultimo where it starts like that and about halfway through they kick things up a notch and show some emotion and the crowd that previously did not give a fuck at all are rocking all the way to the finish. That Hog Wild match had no stakes, a barest of barebones angle for 2 weeks before the show, and they had them doing 20 minutes of chain wrestling and shit in front of a crowd of bikers that didn't pay to see wrestling.

I caught the show up Becky/Bianca and thought it was a pretty good show match wise. Finishes were weird all night, though. The DQ finish for Becky/Bianca sucked but at least was logical since Sasha never got her match with Bianca and you don't want Becky or Bianca to lose outright which would need even more of a bullshit finish if you want to keep things going to Survivor Series or the Rumble or even WM. Something like the ending of the triple threat being these series of super hot near falls by Jeff Hardy that the crowd buys into completely and then Priest wins with an ugly, slow school boy roll up on Sheamus that he just kind of grabbed and went into like they were out of time. Weird because Priest is both a face and also the largest man in the match, so it seemed weird to have him do the sneaky type finish you'd usually get from either a heel or an outsized face in that situation. And now having watch Reigns vs Balor....lmaaaaaaaaaaaoooooooooooooooooooooo that ending. Divine intervention, Roman truly is the chosen one. The finish with the ropes was fine, the heartbeat and the mega kendo stick were dumber to me than the actual finish. Anyway in ring show was pretty good beyond the finishes. Also pretty weird to have the first fully New Day match in a year and with Big E as champion literally thrown together on the pre show.

When is this ever not the vibe for a WWE ppv

Lou did a "why I otta, you dirty rat" flustered spot that got a laugh from the audience and announcer in almost every match I've seen out of him. It gets a laugh every time so in my view it's a comedy spot and is used as such.

"Working to project for the cheap seats" is the weirdest complaint I've ever heard about a wrestler. Literally every single one of the greats of every style and era work to project for the cheap seats.

Yeah Lou Thesz is a great example because his matches are actually full of sports entertainment theatricality that borders on comedy spots.

I disagree that Omega is bad about that stuff in the ring (for promos yes certainly), and also that Bryan hasn't engaged in that stuff in all stages of his career as well.

I would vote for Malakai Jackson over Jimmy Valiant

I feel like the talk about Kenny's over the top mannerisms really hasn't been the case since his Cleaner run in NJ, where he was absolutely very cartoony and corny and over the top at all times. But that stuff mostly went away once he moved up to heavyweight and has been extra toned down since leaving Japan all together.

Show was pretty flat. I get that they didn't want Christian or Jungle Boy to be doing the back and forth and then get beat thing, but lmaooooooo at how ridiculous it looked with Lucha and Cole doing that shit. Luchasauraus ain't Johnny Gargano, bro.

Lmao at the Luchasaurus/Cole segments. Seemed tailor made to get Cornette's blood pressure up.

Hear me out What if they did Steinerized but with a trap beat under it

Dude is legit a freak of nature and mentally questionable. I remember seeing vids of his lifts prior to showing up in NXT and that dude is legit wild.

Everything was EVIL for attendance and interest

Honestly Arn being Cody's manager has always been fucking stupid and for it to have lasted this long without one of them turning on each other is also really fucking stupid. Cody is all about the respect my father's legacy and JCP/WCW history shit and then he's had an Anderson be his manager for the past year. The fuck.

With American wrestling, I prefer to watch full shows. With puro and lucha, individual matches, unless it is from something like SWS/WAR/UWF and then I want to watch the whole show.

Surely they did, otherwise they wouldn't have made him an annoying heel

I would imagine he'll be in a holding period until they see what the reaction to the reality show is. If people aren't watching it and there's a lot of negative reaction, I can see the heel turn rolling out of that. But if it is popular and grows the audience in the way they want, they will probably not turn him for a while. However just the previews make Cody look like a super unlikable manchild so we'll see.