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Dick Togo. Jack Brisco. Those are the two I am most looking forward to diving into, now that the time crunch is over.

Harley Race is someone I just don't get. I don't see how anyone can watch him and think GREAT. I don't know why he is still left or why I am so far off the consensus with him.

67 - Jack Brisco 2006 Ranking: 48 Points: 3431 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 2 # of Ballots: 65 Average Vote: 48.28 High Vote: 6 (John Steffy) Low Vote: 99 Discussion Thread "His singles matches are a technical treat, but his heel work in tags is where he really catches my eye. " Jon Burr "I wish there was more footage but what we have is great." Dave Musgrave "Lack of footage and personal viewing gaps keeps him from being a top 10 contender from the looks of it." Elliott "He had such a classic wrestling look to go along with his skillfulness." Moonsault Marvin "My initial impressions are that Brisco is SAFELY in contention for "best wrestler of the 70s". He's silky smooth, very athletic, great high dropkicks, deep armdrags, fastest figure-four ever, big bumps, terrific at selling, good fire, good timing, great connection with the crowd. He just seems to be everything that you'd want a pro wrestler to be." Jerryvonkramer Recommended Matches: Jack Brisco vs Antonio Inoki (8/5/1971) Jack Brisco vs Jumbo Tsuruta (1/30/1974) Jack Brisco vs Giant Baba (12/5/1974)

1 more ballot for Panther, Angle had 1 more point overall. The average vote was within 0.41 of each other. The big difference is the two three place votes for Angle.

Shocked to see you not have the high vote on Angle. Shocked.

I just revealed the next name. Probably another guy off your list.

68 - Kurt Angle 2006 Ranking: 80 Points: 3398 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 2 Top 10 Votes: 4 # of Ballots: 64 Average Vote: 48.36 High Vote: 3 (Derek C & BackToBionic) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "Has frustrating tendencies, but is so overwhelmingly talented that when he's on, he's really on and capable of so much greatness. Great bumper and stooger, great base, good in tags, can work main events or TV, and has that effortless legit quality to him." Jimmy Redman "I love Angle, and love the way he works. I don't remember if it was here or someplace else, so if i'm repeating myself i'm sorry, but his pace & style is exactly what I want out of his character. He's the high school bully jock who never knows when to turn it off, and spikes volleyballs into girls faces in gym class. He's the guy who makes everybody uneasy because you never know when he's going to randomly body check you into a locker or punch you in arm for no good reason. When I watch an Angle match, I want non stop action, I want people to get thrown on their heads, I want intensity, I want him to pull down his straps and scream like a lunatic, I want him to outwork whoever gets in his way, I want him to go go go go like a god damn machine. And that's exactly what he does." W2BTD Recommended Matches: Kurt Angle vs Steve Austin (WWF SummerSlam, 8/19/2001) Kurt Angle vs The Undertaker (WWE No Way Out, 2/19/2006) Kurt Angle vs Jeff Jarrett (TNA Slammiversary, 6/12/2011)

That is all well and good, but AJ is less over now then he was before the Jericho matches.

69 - Blue Panther 2006 Ranking: 32 Points: 3397 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 2 # of Ballots: 65 Average Vote: 48.77 High Vote: 7 Low Vote: 96 Discussion Thread "The man I think of when I think of lucha maestro's. I know Black Terry fits that for a lot of people but I have more exposure to Panther and prefer him." Dave Musgrave "The epitome of Lucha mat wrestling for me and really and truly my all time favorite wrestler. His longevity in great matches was what pushed him over the top for me, though I feel #9 might be a tad high to many. Unbelievable grappler and the honorable Blue Panther only needed more opportunities the last few years to move up even higher. " Dylan Harris "Where I've been especially impressed, however, is seeing him in different roles. He's tremendously effective when matched up with someone for a fiery/heated brawl, and almost amazingly so when he's there to do the comedy and shtick and character work, in that Fuerza role. I think he's also wrestled very well as an aged tecnico and transitioned strongly after losing the match to where he puts on strong performances with more emoting even if he's lost some of that mystique." Matt D Recommended Matches: Blue Panther vs Atlantis (CMLL, 8/9/1991) Blue Panther vs Villano V (CMLL, 9/19/2008) Blue Panther vs Solar (12/20/2015)

70 - Yuki Ishikawa 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (174) Points: 3287 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 4 # of Ballots: 54 Average Vote: 40.22 High Vote: 6 (A Stock) Low Vote: 98 Discussion Thread "This is possibly more difficult for me to elaborate on than the other candidates in my top 10. Ishikawa created a wrestling aesthetic as a wrestler and as a booker/promoter/trainer that perfectly captures what I want from pro wrestling. I am talking about Battlarts but Ishikawa's ranking is just as dependent on his work for that promotion as it is for his ideas. As the top star of Battlarts Ishikawa is the straight man against a mash-up of wrestling styles ranging from shoot-style to high flying to garbage wrestling. Ishikawa essentially portrays a classic New Japan style wrestler (with a little shoot style mixed in) toughing it out against a variety of opponents. Some of those wrestlers are great but Ishikawa also excels at carrying rookies, crowbars, and stiffs to great matches. He may not have the deep back catalog of other nominated wrestlers but almost every Ishikawa match is a gem worth watching if you can stomach the violent striking and appreciate good matwork." A Stock "For my money the greatest of all of the greatest promotion's stars, Ishikawa can be summed up with one word: Violence. His series with Ikeda is legendary and he had great matches against every other man he faced. He looked like the best of all time more than anyone I could see although variety in the greater sense isn't a strong suit. Is still amazing today on the rare occasions he mixes it up." Dylan Harris Recommended Matches: Yuki Ishikawa vs Daisuke Ikeda (BattlARTS, 9/1/1997) Yuki Ishikawa vs Alexander Otsuka (Big Mouth Loud, 9/11/2005) Yuki Ishikawa vs Carl Greco (BattlARTS, 6/9/2008)

Exactly. My process was make the best argument for each guy and then compare them. Whoever had the better argument went higher.

One is an egg dish and the other is...

Dick Togo is someone that I need to watch again. Outside of M-Pro I haven't seen anything.

I might have labelled it weird... top 10 vote means (4-10) vote.

WCW it is. been making plans, but one question: ECW Invasion or straight up rebuild?

71 - Dick Togo 2006 Ranking: 98 Points: 3280 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 66 Average Vote: 51.30 High Vote: 12 (stunning_grover) Low Vote: 98 Discussion Thread "One of the best junior heavyweight wrestlers in the world for a period of about 20 years." stunning_grover "An absolute genius of pro wrestling and one of the most talented ever in terms of in-ring skill. He was arguably the MVP of the M-Pro Golden Era, and he quietly racked up a great portfolio of work through the 2000s too." Alan4L "One thing that I think helps his case a lot is that we have good matches of his from nearly every corner of the Earth. You can say "who cares, I care how good someone was where they worked most of the time" and that's fine, but the fact that Togo could have good to great matches in South America, Puerto Rico, the U.S., England, Finland, Germany, Japan, et matters to me because it shows he could (and did) make a go of it anywhere. " Dylan Waco Recommended Matches: Kaientai Deluxe vs Gran Hamada, Masato Yakushiji, Super Delphin, Gran Naniwa, Tiger Mask IV (M-Pro, 10/10/1996) Dick Togo vs Chris Hero (IWA-EC, 4/5/2006) Dick Togo vs Antonio Honda (DDT, 1/30/2011)

Sorry I took so long to post the next reveal. This thread took quite a turn in the in between time. I'll try to space things out better tomorrow.

72 - Brian Pillman 2006 Ranking: 88 Points: 3275 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 1 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 86 Average Vote: 63.06 High Vote: 3 (Mando>Eddie) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread " I thought Pillman's babyface run from 89-92 was a tremendous run, that was hurt by WCW booking incompetence. Still there are few underdog babyfaces I can think of in modern times who I would rate clearly above Pillman from that stretch. Good in both tags and singles, good against big name stars like Flair/Luger or undercard acts like Norman/Rip Rogers, really great/underrated feud v. Windham, tons of fun matches against randoms like Buddy Landell, Scotty Flamingo, et., the Liger matches which I think hold up well, et, et, et. I don't think he was ever the same after he went heel, though he had good matches at that point too, and even as late as 95 could occasionally blow you away with something massive." Dylan Waco Recommended Matches: Brian Pillman, Sting, & Steiner Brothers vs Horsemen (War Games, WCW WrestleWar, 2/24/1991) Brian Pillman vs Jushin Liger (WCW SuperBrawl II, 2/29/1992) Brian Pillman vs Johnny B. Badd (WCW Fall Brawl, 9/17/1995)

This is a pretty unsupported and indefensible statement, by a fellow Canadian no less. Jericho probably isn't one of the top 100 because of his lack of consistency over the years, but he did a lot of good stuff over the years which outweighs the bad. Also, I think people are overlooking his genuinely awesome work on the mic. Dumb in a wrestling sense, not as a person.

are you comparing two ppv matches (one being Wrestlemania) vs a Raw main event in hour 3 of a show with almost no prep time? Yeah Sami has been disappointing on the main roster, it is a point. My response was more to Jericho still knowing how to work comment.

Does he? He's taken the best wrestler in the world and made him just decent.

After your Hogan posts that is hilarious. Not really. The idea that Hogan all of sudden is a great worker is a total product of Post-Benoit-Workrate-Guilt. Jericho was considered a really good worker for most of his career, with ups and downs. The "Jericho sucks" stuff just comes from nowhere. And it's not like I'm a big fan. He ranked in 2006, so thinking he's great is not entirely new. I never said Jericho sucks, just that he's maybe a top 200 guy.

I love this, btw

He was the next guy brought up that people were dreading how high he would go. Also lots of people were whining about taking him off their ballots after Mania (joking, i'm sure, but yeah). I think he's way too high to be honest and doesn't even belong in top 100.

After your Hogan posts that is hilarious.