Victator Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Maybe I'm just an idiotic WWE mark who is easy to please but I have found FAR more to enjoy in this angle than to be disappointed/annoyed by. I didn't have any problem with tonight either. In fact I thought it was a great ppv. I agree, I thought this was really good booking. A lot more possibilities now than the shooty bullshit direction they were heading in. Nobody came out of the match looking weak and they have a full blown heel finally that is not Punk or Cena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Maybe I'm just an idiotic WWE mark who is easy to please but I have found FAR more to enjoy in this angle than to be disappointed/annoyed by. I didn't have any problem with tonight either. In fact I thought it was a great ppv. I enjoyed the PPV too, and I could see thinking that there's been more good than bad with this angle up to this point. But the long-term direction is troubling, with the focus being moved even more strongly away from Punk and toward HHH. Del Rio is not over. He's not? I guess I imagined the crowd chanting for him loudly in the opener tonight. They were in LA. It'd be like if Sheamus got a huge reaction in Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted August 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Maybe I'm just an idiotic WWE mark who is easy to please but I have found FAR more to enjoy in this angle than to be disappointed/annoyed by. I didn't have any problem with tonight either. In fact I thought it was a great ppv. You're not. Still waiting for them to bury Punk and he isn't being buried. They wanted Del Rio as champ and they got that in a fun way that didn't kill Punk off. Del Rio not only cashes in but gets his receipt from being manhandled on RAW and the idea of Nash as the new Brodus Clay intrigues me. Once again, I am tuning in to RAW tomorrow night to see where this goes. Plus, Punk vs. Del Rio sounds 1000 times better to me than Punk vs. HHH. Still better than the Nexus angle in every way. At this point, Nexus was done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Jacobi Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Maybe I'm just an idiotic WWE mark who is easy to please but I have found FAR more to enjoy in this angle than to be disappointed/annoyed by. I didn't have any problem with tonight either. In fact I thought it was a great ppv. I enjoyed the PPV too, and I could see thinking that there's been more good than bad with this angle up to this point. But the long-term direction is troubling, with the focus being moved even more strongly away from Punk and toward HHH. Del Rio is not over. He's not? I guess I imagined the crowd chanting for him loudly in the opener tonight. They were in LA. It'd be like if Sheamus got a huge reaction in Boston. There's no chance in hell Sheamus is getting a reaction in Boston the way Del Rio got one in LA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 So we've gone from "greatest promo ever" to "booked better than the Nexus?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted August 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 The promo is still great. Punk is still hot and hasn't eaten a pedigree. The logical progression is Greatest Promo Ever to MOTY to rematch MOTYC to What Happens Next. No problem with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Maybe I'm just an idiotic WWE mark who is easy to please but I have found FAR more to enjoy in this angle than to be disappointed/annoyed by. I didn't have any problem with tonight either. In fact I thought it was a great ppv. I enjoyed the PPV too, and I could see thinking that there's been more good than bad with this angle up to this point. But the long-term direction is troubling, with the focus being moved even more strongly away from Punk and toward HHH. Del Rio is not over. He's not? I guess I imagined the crowd chanting for him loudly in the opener tonight. They were in LA. It'd be like if Sheamus got a huge reaction in Boston. There's no chance in hell Sheamus is getting a reaction in Boston the way Del Rio got one in LA. Maybe not, but it's a difference of degree, not of kind. Of course a Mexican superstar is going to get a big reaction in a city with a big Mexican population. There's no way he would've gotten anything close to that reaction in, say, Minneapolis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Of course Sheamus wouldn't, but he would if he were a southey. And yeah, Punk hasn't taken a pedigree yet -- but, he did get jackknife powerbombed by Kevin Nash. Both are terrible regardless. Some of you might think having Nash back will be good, or maybe I'm just being too extrapolative, but I don't see good things coming out of it unless it was just another one-shot, which wouldn't make much sense then anyway. Add in Stephanie McMahon - another thing I'd rather not see. Nevertheless, I will turn in and watch tomorrow. The WWE have made some serious mistakes this year. They've hot-shotted an angle with Punk that could have been a lot differently. Now Kevin Nash, Stephanie McMahon, and Triple H are involved. What's next - Hall and Waltman? del Rio's destiny had been derailed so much that they put out one avenue to start the other one up. I mean, who is going to ultimately chase del Rio? Punk? Cena? Rey? Maybe del Rio finally got his to be a transitional champion to tie off loose ends. I don't see him lasting until WM because the whole "Cena-Rock for the title" thing at WM -- unless they scrap that too. Plus, add in the already dangerous level of depth on their roster. They're eating through things far too quickly. Who's at the main event level in the WWE? Like main eventing WrestleMania 'main event'. Orton, Cena & Punk are obvious right now Christian - don't see it happening Taker - definitely, but is never around HHH - is not a wrestler right now Henry - nope Sheamus - he was transitional before Bryan - not a chance Ziggler - nope Morrison - nope R-Truth - nope Rey - more yes than no del Rio - if the last 10 months are any indicator besides tonight, probably not Miz - a heel is champion and he's been pushed back a la Sheamus in the title reigns list Big Show - hasn't been booked like that in a while but could be overnight Kane - was champion for some time last year, but has been hit-and-miss since his debut in 1997 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Then it's good that they already have the main event at WM booked this year so they don't have to worry about not having guys at that level until the following year's show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I'm fine with the Nash angle and Del Rio as champion. It was unpredictable, and not in a way that's unpredictable because it makes no sense whatsoever. I'd have liked to see Kofi beat Del Rio a couple of weeks back though, in their rematch from the title tournament, only because it sets up an easy title match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Every match at Wrestlemania is a main event isn't it? That what they said about the Del Rio/Edge match at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Punk hasn't taken a pedigree yet -- but, he did get jackknife powerbombed by Kevin Nash. Both are terrible regardless. Some of you might think having Nash back will be good, or maybe I'm just being too extrapolative, but I don't see good things coming out of it unless it was just another one-shot, which wouldn't make much sense then anyway. Add in Stephanie McMahon - another thing I'd rather not see. Nevertheless, I will turn in and watch tomorrow. The WWE have made some serious mistakes this year. They've hot-shotted an angle with Punk that could have been a lot differently. Now Kevin Nash, Stephanie McMahon, and Triple H are involved. What's next - Hall and Waltman? I find it amazing some people still try to act like Punk is some poor mid carder being buried. Since he got to WWE in 2006 he has been one of the most protected wrestlers on the roster. Even during the supposed period in 07 he was being buried he rarely lost on TV. Punk is more protected than Kane or Big Show. They went to extra trouble tonight to make sure he did not lose the title cleanly. Going beyond the out of having wrestled a full match with John Cena. They have him get power bombed by a giant before having Del Rio cash in his title shot. And actually bringing in Waltman would be a great idea. If anything it would greatly improve the Raw mid card. del Rio's destiny had been derailed so much that they put out one avenue to start the other one up. I mean, who is going to ultimately chase del Rio? Punk? Cena? Rey? It almost sounds like they have multiple quality opponents for their new heel champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 It almost sounds like they have multiple quality opponents for their new heel champion. Which is actually a good thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 At this point, I'm curious what it would actually take for people to consider Punk buried. A Lita style "selling her box" segment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 The current method of giving him multiple World titles, PPV main events and wins over John Cena doesn't seem to be working. Since 2006 people have been trying to create this narrative of Little Orphan Punk fighting the cruel, heartless WWE machine, and every year it sounds more ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Del Rio is not over. He's not? I guess I imagined the crowd chanting for him loudly in the opener tonight. Oh, well that settles that. Seriously, I would be surprised if your average channel changer who watches wrestling knows his name, which is fine, but it's way too early to put the belt on him. And I'm sick of all these fake pushes. If the promotion has no intention of attempting to push whoever they make the champ to be as big a star as Cena, then it's a waste of time. At this point, I'm curious what it would actually take for people to consider Punk buried. A Lita style "selling her box" segment? This was funny. I also really hate MITB as a concept, by the way. It worked with Edge because it was a novel concept and Edge was more established than the other guy who they've done it with since. All it has done since is create second-rate champions who are considered guys who could never win the title in a "real" match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I was kinda bummed out by Del Rio winning (and to some degree, I agree with Loss about him not being over) but I too look at the potential match-up situation. Del Rio vs. Punk, Cena, Mysterio. The first two are pretty fresh and the third involves two guys who work well together. I'm thinking for Punk: After Cena, who would there be? He's a babyface, so there would be Del Rio, but after that? Miz? His stock has plummetted a little. R-Truth? The guy who believes in a conspiracy vs. the company rebel. They'd be a better tag team for a character standpoint if anything. Ziggler? Probably less over than Del Rio and any overness he gets is due to Vicki (and for whatever reason, Vicki doesn't seem to be the heat machine she was with Edge). It gets to the point where the only other strong option is a HHH heel turn or a Cena heel turn or a combo of that two and any combo of that is something most of us don't want. At the end of the day, I'm a Punk fan, and at least he didn't eat a Pedigree or didn't have an eventual alliance with HHH as well (something I was also fearing from time to time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 The promo is still great. Punk is still hot and hasn't eaten a pedigree. The logical progression is Greatest Promo Ever to MOTY to rematch MOTYC to What Happens Next. No problem with that. Are you referring to Summerslam here? I'm thinking about getting the replay. Was it a good show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 They need to turn Miz face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I'm really curious how any rational mind could construe what happened last night as Punk being buried. He pinned John Cena or at the very least fought him to a stalemate. Was ambushed by a giant and power bombed after a long hard fought match. Then was pinned by a fresh Alberto Del Rio. If Punk pinned Steve Austin, The Rock, Hulk Hogan and the ghost of Andre the Giant cleanly, I think someone would say Andre got too much offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I don't think Punk was buried at all. However, I do think the writing is terrible and this is no longer special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I just think WWE recast Punk as a wronged, sympathetic, kicking against babyface last night instead of the miscast spoiled by perks, "hypocrite" babyface of the previous two months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I look forward to Nash being added to Creative. The only think better than the Punk Angle being used to get over Trip is for it to be used to get over Trip & Friends. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I don't think Punk was buried at all. However, I do think the writing is terrible and this is no longer special.I don't see how it was poor writing. The finish set up a new heel champion with multiple quality challengers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollinger. Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I do not understand the "They didn't book this exactly how I wanted, so the story is already deader than dead" attitude. I know some of you just hate current WWE and are going to shit on anything and everything they do, but we're going on two months of quality television at this point. At what point do you stop sitting around waiting to be the first to proclaim that they've fucked things up and start enjoying it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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