FLIK Posted October 13, 2011 Report Posted October 13, 2011 Jim Breaks with 36 I get a kick out of a majority of the Saint talk always boiling down to "well, there's these other guys that deserve a spot too" which is true but in my mind wrestler X also being a good candidate doesn't = Saint not being a good one. Quote
Dylan Waco Posted October 13, 2011 Report Posted October 13, 2011 I disagree, especially in a case like Europe where we are trying to establish a benchmark candidate. To me you are much better off going for the obvious candidate (if there is one) or at least the most deserving first. Quote
goodhelmet Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 From this week's Observer... Sam Muchnick in St. Louis did the same thing, he’d often would put the main event on next to last and end the show with a 2/3 fall tag team match with four top veteran workers, in his case it was if there was going to be big heat in the main event finish, this calmed the people down before they left the arena Does this help Blackwell's case at all, Dylan? Quote
Dylan Waco Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 Hard to say. What the St. Louis stuff shows with Blackwell is that he was a star of some magnitude somewhere other than the AWA. He was a consistent main or semi-main guy there. The lack of consistent attendance figures make it hard to say what sort of power he had at the box office there. I suspect he was more a piece than anything, but his Missouri Title wins seem to imply that he was viewed as a valuable piece. It's clear that St. Louis is more of a positive for him then I would have guessed coming in, but it's secondary to his drawing/star power in the AWA and even his in ring work in terms of determining where he falls on a HoF spectrum. Quote
WrestlingPower Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Why are St. Louis figures hard to come by? I would think Matysik has all that info or has it just not made its way online? Quote
jdw Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Someone seems to have the numbers since numbers get tossed out in Dave's STL pieces (and other pieces on wrestlers who worked a fair amount in STL) regularly enough. John Quote
Dylan Waco Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 I'm certain Matisyk has them as he ran down the figures on all the "booking sheets" shows he did with Gary Cubetta. Quote
Dylan Waco Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Another random aside on Blackwell but I think he would have made a great heel challenger for Hogan in the WWF. He was loyal to Verne for the push Verne gave him, but he had worked programs in St. Louis and the AWA with Hogan and was sort of a perfect challenger in the mold of "fat immovable object" types. He was also a better worker than Bundy, Andre, Kamala or Bossman. Even as late as 88 they probably could have had some very good matches and my guess is they would have done great business. It's funny in a way because I get the feeling if he had one six month WWF run where he drew well opposite Hogan folks would be far less dismissive of the notion that he is an HoF candidate worth discussing. Quote
WrestlingPower Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Even then I don't think he was Vince's type. Too short, too hairy, too Southern. Not to mention whatever shape his health was in at the time. Quote
rovert Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Dave on the LAW radio show said yesterday that this week is HOF issue week and he is writing MULTIPLE bios. Update from Dave: Just a note that the Hall of Fame issue of the Observer will be out on Wednesday. It will be the biggest issue of the year with several major bios. To get the speculation going, there were three people voted into the Hall of Fame this year. Quote
Loss Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 I'm guessing he has typed the words "Sexton Hardcastle" in the last few days ... Quote
Ricky Jackson Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Is there going to be a riot on this board come Wednesday? Perhaps even an Observer boycott? Quote
Dylan Waco Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 My guesses? Edge, Sasaki and Dr. Death. I really wish Hans Schmidt was getting in, but I've lost confidence about that over the last month. Quote
jdw Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 My guess is Edge, Doc and Schmidt. John Quote
FLIK Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 Like Edge, wouldn't vote for him if I had a vote but wouldn't have a prob if he got in either. Don't think he's getting in this year though. Docs a good safe pic though Quote
KrisZ Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 Does the 3 count contributors or not because if it does then that may change some things. Quote
Childs Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 He still owes us a Rey bio, doesn't he? Quote
kjh Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 I'm guessing one of the inductees may be a surprise by Dave's wording. Maybe Carlos Colon due to the new geographic region or a historical candidate going in by fiat? Quote
Cox Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 He still owes us a Rey bio, doesn't he?Couldn't Konnan do his buddy a solid and ghostwrite it for Dave like he did his own? Quote
Dylan Waco Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 Now that I think about it I would not be shocked at all if Johnny Saint went in. Quote
Dylan Waco Posted October 19, 2011 Report Posted October 19, 2011 Dr. Wagner Sr. as a possible overlooked historical candidate? Why else would he have been arbitrarily removed from the ballot? Quote
jdw Posted October 19, 2011 Report Posted October 19, 2011 Did Wagner Sr. fall below 5%? I'd have to go back and check the comments I had from him last year, but I don't think Dr. Lucha was sold on Wagner Sr at all. John Quote
FLIK Posted October 19, 2011 Report Posted October 19, 2011 Wasn't there a bunch of confusion this year over whether it was Jr or Sr that was supposed to have fell off based on last years results? Quote
kjh Posted October 19, 2011 Report Posted October 19, 2011 From last years results: Dr. Wagner Sr. 41 55% 47% Less than 10% of the votes from the region and dropped from next year’s balloting: Cowboy Bob Ellis, Yukon Eric, Bearcat Wright, Cibernetico, Dr. Wagner Jr., Giant Haystacks From the prior year results: Dr. Wagner Sr. 35 47% 48% Dr. Wagner Jr. 15 20% ----- It's pretty clear that Sr. is the one who should be on the ballot and Jr. shouldn't be on it for another couple of years. Quote
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