Death From Above Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Half of Onita's big FMW matches are firecrackers going off while guys lay around getting their wind back. The other half is him crying like a girl and screaming like a lunatic, cutting these bizarre promos I didn't understand a word of but just couldn't look away from. It's bullshit taken to such an extreme that it actually becomes sublime. I don't recall Onita ever doing anything as stupid as taking a dozen unprotected chair shots in the face to get over (well, other than that ridiculous fire death match with the Sheik and Sabu that they had to call off in like 4 minutes before everyone died). He was too much into Hollywood stunt work for that. Onita would use fireworks and silly bullshit like that "I hold up part of a table, Pogo stabs it with his scythe BUT I TOTALLY COULD HAVE DIED" to give the illusion of violence like some sort of bizarre movie. Foley, for all the good matches he did have at one point, is really a different animal. He could have faked the violence but instead he decided that it's still real to him. So he gets tossed off a Hell in a Cell and gets his brains actually bashed in. I know which one I think is the smarter guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I won't venture a guess as to which of the two was smarter, but swallowing barbed wire was pretty stupid. Granted, it was an accident, but putting yourself in a position where something like that might happen doesn't exactly qualify you for Mensa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Watching the Rock vs Mankind I quit match from 99 Royal Rumble and man maybe this is because I am older but damn the ending of this match is really hard to watch. Don't remember how I felt back then but ten brutal unprotected chair shots to the head is just nuts. Of course maybe it is uneasy to watch after watching Beyond the Mat and knowing how much his brain was scrambled in that phone call and that his family was in the crowd. I seem to remember Wade Keller saying that Foley's original ending for this match was to have his family in the front row and after taking a beating (still with the chairs) and seeing his kids cry he'd say "I quit" and take some time off. I also remember Keller saying that sometime before the show Foley decided to make the finish even more brutal and Rock was to keep hitting him with the chair until he rolled outside. Since Foley took forever to roll outside Rock just kept whacking him. Foley did this knowing his kids were in the front row. Are those stories correct? Mick and Collete planned the whole thing. You can see in the movie a moment where Mick is trying to get across to his kids that whatever happens, Rock is really his friend (or words along those lines). Still... he knew what he was going to do, and they had a pretty good idea how the kids would react. In turn, there was a shitload of talk leading into it that Mick planned on "topping Hell in the Cell" with the bullshit stunt. It was the chair shit. Someone can also go ask Barnett about it - he was backstage that day, around Foley quite a bit, and knew the bullshit they were up to. Mick knew in hindsight, especially when being interview by Barry (the "I guess that makes me a bad dad" scene), that he went a bit far in using his kids in a bullshit stunt. And of course Collete was an even bigger piece of shit in it than Mick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I'm a bit foggy on how it went as I haven't read about this in years, but if I remember right, Mick was supposed to go down at some point but was so dazed and out of it he literally didn't realize he was supposed to just fall over so the match would stop, so Rock just kept hitting him waiting for him to go down because that's what was agreed on. I seem to remember something in one of Foley's books about him not realizing how being handcuffed would totally alter his ability to absorb a chairshot, I guess because of how it forces you to alter your posture, and he was in serious trouble pretty much from the first shot. Lord knows after that there were many many more. The whole thing got completely out of hand. I haven't watched it in years but it's terribly uncomfortable viewing, at best. It's one of those things on my list of "never revisit". No... that's Mick's bullshit explanation. In reality, he was suppose to keep getting up and eating more. The whole thing went according to plan. He was quite pleased with himself afterwards. It's only down the road that he started to reinvent it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I caught Mick's stand up act tonight, and it was a fairly entertaining 90 or so minutes. He doesn't really shed any new light on anything that most people on this forum wouldn't already know. He rehashes some of the more famous stories from his book (namely the DDP cookies in the bed story). But it's Mick, so it's still fun to hear again. The really good line was talking about the Hulk Hogan sex tape, and describing it as Hogan getting winded but doing the famous Hogan comeback and then getting the crowd to start singing along to 'Real American.' Afterwards, he did a meet and greet and took fan questions. The All Japan uber mark in me asked about working Jumbo in the '91 Carnival. He was actually very complimentary towards Jumbo, saying that he was great to work with, despite Mick suffering the rib injury. He also said that he finds that Jumbo is terribly under appreciated, and that Dave is crazy for saying that he was lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Are you working me, Mike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I'm a bit foggy on how it went as I haven't read about this in years, but if I remember right, Mick was supposed to go down at some point but was so dazed and out of it he literally didn't realize he was supposed to just fall over so the match would stop, so Rock just kept hitting him waiting for him to go down because that's what was agreed on. I seem to remember something in one of Foley's books about him not realizing how being handcuffed would totally alter his ability to absorb a chairshot, I guess because of how it forces you to alter your posture, and he was in serious trouble pretty much from the first shot. Lord knows after that there were many many more. The whole thing got completely out of hand. I haven't watched it in years but it's terribly uncomfortable viewing, at best. It's one of those things on my list of "never revisit". No... that's Mick's bullshit explanation. In reality, he was suppose to keep getting up and eating more. The whole thing went according to plan. He was quite pleased with himself afterwards. It's only down the road that he started to reinvent it. I can buy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Amid reports that WWE has heat with Mark Henry for taking injured while they had big plans for him. Former WWE and ECW World Heavyweight Champion Mark Henry (@TheMarkHenry) Tweeted the following: "The only reason I'm breaking my silence to the twitter world is to tell u I'm not retiring!!!! I have hate in my heart that's too dangerous." "It's best to be away till I'm right I feel I my hurt someone or do damage to my family by going to jail.tired of holding back." "I will return when I'm healthy,not because the roster is thin. I AM HURT! Don't hide on the web you got my # call me with that bull sh@t." "Back to silence!" Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 I know no one wants to see the McMahons in a TV angle In Twenty Thirteen (tm Bryan Alvarez), but Vince had me cracking up being a dick on Raw tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 I know no one wants to see the McMahons in a TV angle In Twenty Thirteen (tm Bryan Alvarez), but Vince had me cracking up being a dick on Raw tonight.RAW was pretty fucking great tonight, and yeah...Vince was hilarious. Jesus fucking Christ that Bryan/ Rollins match was so fucking good. Oh and they aired a cool "MARK HENRY IS BACK" video., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 My 3rd Pro match from last Saturday, Big Benjamin Johnson (me) vs Leon Ikusa, re-match from last month. Weirdly my 2nd match was a few weeks back, working a lucha show at a flea market but that wasn't taped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 I realize that talking about racism in wrestling is a complete lost cause, wresting is what it is. But I always wondered how Tatanka was perceived within the native American community. Hell I'm not even talking about the thing where he turns heel by selling out to a rich white man, or the half assed tribal dance he did all the time. But there was that constant "he represents the blood of all native American peoples" thing they kept bringing up as a talking point about his character, and since when do all the native tribes think of themselves as one group? I always thought that alone must have rubbed some people the wrong way in a "they all look the same to me" kind of way. I mean there's got to be a few good rants on the internet somewhere. In hindsight it seems like a gimmick that borders on just trolling people for the sake of seeing what the reaction is. But they did push the guy, he had that long undefeated run, so you do get the feeling they must have actually thought he was something. Then they just fed him to Ludwig Borga of all people. Live on a Hopi Reservation. There is a ton of tension between the Navajos and the Hopis (Navajo's willing to mine on their land, Hopi's won't, Navajo's have treaty with US, Hopis don't, which allows Navajos squatters rights where they squat on Hopi land and then mine, then build roads so mines can be only accessed by Navajo. etc.) but when Steve Gatorwolf promotes on Hopi res, both Navajo and Cherokee wrestlers are treated as faces in pan-native solidarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Someone posted a great show and picture of Ashley and Ric Flair: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 WWE,com posted a HUGE gallery of sketches of character designs here: http://www.wwe.com/classics/superstar-sketches-photos: For example a design for pre-Goldust Dustin Rhodes: All the super ambitious ideas they had for Max Moon: Dwayne Johnson's handwriting revealing he designed his original ring gear: Also confirming the "internet" story of the "The Ringmaster" gimmick being proposed to Bryan "Adam Bomb" Clarke and much more. Also a WTF Razor Ramon: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickHithouse Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 I like how that version of Ramon called for him to carry a razor blade around with him. What could possibly go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 This is fascinating. Love it. Dustin Rhodes sure escaped some really awful gimmicks apparently. Stargarte Egyptian Dustin Rhodes ? Holy shit. I want to see the skteches for Jeff Jarrett's aztec outfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Staples Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 They'll apparently be ordered by Charles in Mexico the wrestler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Guitar Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 It's 20 year's ago since King of The Ring 1993. Often overlooked,but a pivitol turning point in company history. The end of Hulkamania, but the night that Bret Hart truly became a star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chess Knight Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Those 'Headcase' ones for Mankind are horrifying. Also I thought practically every Doink looked rubbish. Glad they wound up using the one we know now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 And of course Collete was an even bigger piece of shit in it than Mick. My post originally ended with me concluding that Mick was a piece of shit. I erased it because I didn't quite want to jump to that conclusion yet but I've thought Mick was a big piece of shit since the Rumble match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueminister Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 They wasted a lot of money accessorizing a guy who just ended up a face midcarder that threw nerfs into the audience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 No idea how I've never seen this photo before, but it's awesome: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Little question here about the end of UWF and its titles. What happened to the UWF title? Was it merged into the main world title? Also, this Western Heritage States title. Why did they bother making that when the UWF title was there? Finally, in 85-6, as a sort of overhang of an older era, Crockett still had the old Georgia National title and their own old Mid-Atlantic title still active. The National title was unified with the US title, but what happened to the Mid-Atlantic title. This note on Wiki is quite cryptic: After winning JCP's version of the NWA United States Tag Team Championship with Barry Windham, Garvin vacated the NWA Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship and handed it to Jim Crockett, Jr. on the December 26, 1986 taping of World Championship Wrestling. The title was deactivated afterwards for unknown reasons by Crockett, Jr., and JCP was then sold to Ted Turner in 1988.[3] As a result, Ron Garvin was the final wrestler to hold the NWA Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 All those titles became inactive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Staples Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Boogeyman vs Bobby Lashley 1 Boogeyman vs Bobby Lashley 2 Boogeyman vs Bobby Lashley 3 This is apparently a thing. Did these ever get brought up around here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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