bradhindsight Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 I don't know if there's any substance behind it, but there's been rumblings for a while that people were growing frustrated with Delirious's direction for the company. It's been cited as the reason guys aren't re-signing and why Corino left. I'll never get how someone like Joe Koff (who I like and I think is the main reason ROH is still even around) would let Delirious manage that staff the way he does. Awful communication skills and what i'd imagine is a continued source of frustration for both the locker room and office. With the recent stuff about Keith Lee's last weekend, again Delirious can't even tell a guy he isn't booked. I don't even blame the company for cutting his dates once he signed with WWN (they blew off the Briscoes feud and then cut his last date), but you're a bad manager if you can't even talk to a guy to explain the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 Is this a case of Delirious trying to do everything himself and things are just falling through the cracks, or is he just kind of a shithead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 It seems like I see some tale of his mismanagement every couple of months like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luchaundead Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 Is this a case of Delirious trying to do everything himself and things are just falling through the cracks, or is he just kind of a shithead? There are rumors of him having a drug problem I don't know if that's true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 sek69> that certainly was the reason they made the fulltime move for KK last spring and there was a marked improvement. KK has talked before about having to convince Delirious to delegate stuff (which he eventually did). Gotta work smarter than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Mark Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Delirious should have cut ties with Lee when in showed up in Atlanta and refused to sign his ROH deal . Lee should have never been booked for Texas .I wonder what going to happen now that Kevin Kelly is out of ROH ? Koff really needs to hire a mature person with a background in managing wrestling talent , ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 It will never happen. The RoH way seems to be waiting until the ship caught on fire and sunk before addressing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Good crowd in Pittsburgh for the tapings last night, saw the picture Cary posted and also heard from a contact there. Possibly double what they pulled in the fall. That's two good TV crowds to start the year, in good venues, which is critical to getting over with the syndicated audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migs Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Good crowd in Pittsburgh for the tapings last night, saw the picture Cary posted and also heard from a contact there. Possibly double what they pulled in the fall. That's two good TV crowds to start the year, in good venues, which is critical to getting over with the syndicated audience. They really should have set the cameras up in Atlanta so you could appreciate Center Stage better and see the crowd. Watching this week's TV show right now and very much enjoying Colt Cabana on color. Big improvement over Corino and Nigel (moreso over Corino, who cuts a great promo but was really bad as announcer). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingPower Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 I liked Corino as an announcer, my issue with him was he & Kelly got so comfortable with each other that their on-air style got too much into "2 guys on the couch trying to pop each other" than actually calling a match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Yeah the camera setup wasn't ideal in Atlanta, hopefully they do it differently next time. I liked Corino as an announcer, but he didn't have a strong 2016. I actually didn't particularly care for Cabana, but Marty Scurll did a great job of getting the TV title contender match over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 I thought Kelly and Corino were the absolute shits as a commentary team. I would take Nana over Corino. I thought they could be passable on TV but if you got a house show you would just want to throat punch both of them by the end of it more often than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Mark Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Corino tended to drift away from the match in the match. Steve starting talking about all kinds of stupid things that had nothing to do with the match in the ring. He forget his job is to get the product over not a be a stand up comedian . Regarding Kelly I am not sure that he is gone from ROH . Kelly is still twitting about ROH . I would not be shock in he returns in a part time role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirEdger Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 Wasn't it said that Kelly would appear once in a while in a freelance role on ROH TV whenever he's available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migs Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Um, you guys, Hardyz-Young Bucks just broke my brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirEdger Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Not only that. The last thing I thought I'd read tonight was Bully Ray coming to the aid of Bobby Fish being mugged by Bullet Club and putting Adam Cole through a table. Seriously, I don't know what the hell is going on right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 I rewatched Joe vs Kobashi for the first time probably since it happened a few days ago. I'm trying to imagine the ROH of 2005 running shows with Strike Force and Smash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 ROH bringing in Bully Ray and The Hardys at the same time is kinda weird. I think people are going to assume that will lead to some type of 3 way Dudley/Bucks/Hardys match but D-Von is still under contract with WWE and works as a producer/agent. Bubba is 4 years older and probably about 30 pounds heavier than he was during that Bully Ray TNA run people kept saying was so good & I don't see this ROH run replicating that kind of positive response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migs Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 I have no idea what the point of a long-term Bully Ray run would be. It was a fun moment for a pop, but he doesn't really fit the ROH style in any way. The Hardy moment... wow. Much of the crowd stood for the entire match. The match was right before intermission, and it was a mob scene as they went to the gimmick table. A really amazing vibe. This feels like it has the potential to be a real shot in the arm for ROH, because of the energy around them right now and the way they break up the monotony that can set in at an ROH show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Twitter seems to think the idea that the Hardys "signed" with ROH is a work and they're just there for a month until after WrestleMania at which point they immediately go to WWE. I really don't think it's so cut & dry as "WWE can offer more money" because WWE could also offer more money than TNA but The Hardys were going to stay there until TNA started fucking around at the last minute. The Hardys would mean way more to ROH's business than they would to WWE's. I could see ROH giving Hardys pretty much whatever they wanted in a contract to get them to sign, including creative control, which I don't think WWE would ever offer. ROH also would allow the Hardys to keep making their own schedule and work for pretty much anyone else that is not on iPPV when they aren't working for ROH. Matt has gotten used to being around Maxel all the time and has another kid on the way, I don't think he has any desire to go back to working a full time WWE schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Mark Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 I get the Hardys and Cody , they are draws for ROH. However can Bubba Dudley work in ROH ? I guess we are going to find out. Bull James , Alex Reynolds , John Silver and Maxwell Jacob Feinstein were backstage , so I would guess they are being bought in to build the undercard . The ROH fans seem to have some irrational hatred of Bull James . Don't know why ? Because he is overweight ? Those 4 plus John Skyler, Josh Woods and Curt Stallion should really help rebuilt the roster after the losses to Evolve and NXT . Drew Galloway and Mike Bennett are out there in free agent land . I would think Bennett would return , holding out hope for Galloway . Also I wonder if Sonjay Dutt had a one shot deal or is going to return The company has lost Roderick Strong , Moose , Kyle O'Reilly , Michael Elgin , Kyle O' Reilly , Donovan Dijak , Keith Lee, Jason Kincaid and maybe Bobby Fish , Lio Rush and Adam Cole. I am assuming Ray Rowe and Hanson are sticking around for a while. I ROH has done a good job of filling roster spots and the company hopefully will not miss a beat. Hopefully ROH will get some mileage of Hardys/ Bucks feud , the Scurll TV Title run and Will Ospreay while the new guys are getting over. Some be an interesting few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stro Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 I get the Hardys and Cody , they are draws for ROH. However can Bubba Dudley work in ROH ? I guess we are going to find out. Bull James , Alex Reynolds , John Silver and Maxwell Jacob Feinstein were backstage , so I would guess they are being bought in to build the undercard . The ROH fans seem to have some irrational hatred of Bull James . Don't know why ? Because he is overweight ? Those 4 plus John Skyler, Josh Woods and Curt Stallion should really help rebuilt the roster after the losses to Evolve and NXT . Drew Galloway and Mike Bennett are out there in free agent land . I would think Bennett would return , holding out hope for Galloway . Also I wonder if Sonjay Dutt had a one shot deal or is going to return The company has lost Roderick Strong , Moose , Kyle O'Reilly , Michael Elgin , Kyle O' Reilly , Donovan Dijak , Keith Lee, Jason Kincaid and maybe Bobby Fish , Lio Rush and Adam Cole. I am assuming Ray Rowe and Hanson are sticking around for a while. I ROH has done a good job of filling roster spots and the company hopefully will not miss a beat. Hopefully ROH will get some mileage of Hardys/ Bucks feud , the Scurll TV Title run and Will Ospreay while the new guys are getting over. Some be an interesting few months. Lol. It's because he's a NXT reject who doesn't fit in a workrate promotion (or whatever ROH tries to be these days) and clearly got booked just because he was an ex WWE guy they could roll out . That your first thought would be "is it because he's fat?" is hilarious. A company that books the Young Bucks, Kenny Omega, and brings in Okada/Tanahashi fairly regularly. Weird that that audience doesn't give a shit about Bull Dempsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 ROH signing Hardy's is a brilliant move. Give the creative control and let them do whatever. As for Bubba, fuck him. He's really a horrible person, as he shows on twitter. He's not going to add anything and there is way better talent out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 I get the Hardys and Cody , they are draws for ROH. However can Bubba Dudley work in ROH ? I guess we are going to find out. Bull James , Alex Reynolds , John Silver and Maxwell Jacob Feinstein were backstage , so I would guess they are being bought in to build the undercard . The ROH fans seem to have some irrational hatred of Bull James . Don't know why ? Because he is overweight ? Those 4 plus John Skyler, Josh Woods and Curt Stallion should really help rebuilt the roster after the losses to Evolve and NXT . Drew Galloway and Mike Bennett are out there in free agent land . I would think Bennett would return , holding out hope for Galloway . Also I wonder if Sonjay Dutt had a one shot deal or is going to return The company has lost Roderick Strong , Moose , Kyle O'Reilly , Michael Elgin , Kyle O' Reilly , Donovan Dijak , Keith Lee, Jason Kincaid and maybe Bobby Fish , Lio Rush and Adam Cole. I am assuming Ray Rowe and Hanson are sticking around for a while. I ROH has done a good job of filling roster spots and the company hopefully will not miss a beat. Hopefully ROH will get some mileage of Hardys/ Bucks feud , the Scurll TV Title run and Will Ospreay while the new guys are getting over. Some be an interesting few months. Lol. It's because he's a NXT reject who doesn't fit in a workrate promotion (or whatever ROH tries to be these days) and clearly got booked just because he was an ex WWE guy they could roll out . That your first thought would be "is it because he's fat?" is hilarious. A company that books the Young Bucks, Kenny Omega, and brings in Okada/Tanahashi fairly regularly. Weird that that audience doesn't give a shit about Bull Dempsey. And you could literally find hundreds of guys on the indy scene with more upside that you could have brought in instead of Bull James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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