Zoo Enthusiast Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Reigns splitting off from the Shield is the thing on the horizon that I am most excited by, but I do hope they do it slowly. The group has been SO awesome that I hope they are able to end perfectly. If that means holding off until the post-Mania lull, or building to a Mania match between Ambrose/Reigns, I'm not sure. My main hope is that they don't lose that match in the shuffle if they do end up making it for Mania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I do wonder if having the Wyatts attack Axel and Ryback would lead somewhere relating to Punk and Bryan. I mean I just can't buy a straight up tag match between the SmarkPowers and the Wyatts just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Wyatts Vs. Punk/Bryan makes sense. It makes sense because The Wyatts beat-up Punk/Bryan on RAW a couple weeks ago. This sentence epitomizes the dearth of creativity in WWE booking. How many feuds start these days because someone beats someone else up for no reason? There are no real storylines anymore, just vague feuds where the participants trade beatdown segments every week before a match at the big show, and then rinse and repeat until they have fought on about three consecutive PPVs. There are way too many rematches these days and way too many heatless, uninteresting feuds without a solid reason behind them. Â Compare and contrast to a show like Armageddon 2000, where you have The Radicalz feuding with Team Xtreme after Malenko gets a crush on Lita, leading to some fun, unsettling segments leading up to the show and nice payoffs. Val Venis vs Chyna leads to the whole Chyna neck broken storyline, getting Ivory over as a sick, twisted heel and a ton of heat for the RTC while setting up programs well down the line. Chris Jericho and Kane feuded over Kane getting accidentally burned with coffee, with further build up concentrating on the ugly, deformed Kane being jealous of Jericho's looks and personalities. The main event was a good example of a multifaceted build up, with all participants having various feuds and motivations going in, with the sidestory about Vince worried about losing $1 billion dollars worth of talent and Foley desperate to have a clean WWF title finish. Â Nobody is going to care about lower and mid card workers if you don't give them a reason to care. Feuds about coffee may seem silly but they are at least about something. WWE is meant to be a soap. But Coronation Street would be pretty rubbish if it was just affairs, murders etc happening every day without any reason or motivation. WWE would do far better if they focused on building characters, that is what most people tune in for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo-Yo's Roomie Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 While I agree with your general point that too many feuds start with beatdowns which seem to have no reason behind them, you can't seriously argue that a feud over spilt coffee is better than what we're getting now? Â Also, Coronation Street is rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I mean, I think more people care & would pay for Cena Vs. Del Rio than slapping The Usos & Rhodes Brothers in a big ass tag match. I don't agree with this at all, and it's a false equivalency. The question is would more people pay for Bryan/Punk v. Harper/Rowan, or for the 6 on 6 Survivor match? Â The crowd went NUTS when they had that big 6 on 6 brawl segment. They love Bryan. They love Punk. The Rhodes boys and Usos are super over right now. They popped big for that Shield v. Wyatts tease. Doing a 6 on 6 match with all those guys would be way more of a drawing card than a straight tag with Bryan/Punk against the least over of those 12 guys. If you're going to tease that match and then not book it? It doesn't make any sense. Meltzer seems to think that they're booking week to week right now and are just dropping and starting stuff without concrete ideas......and from watching the shows I tend to agree. The whole payoff to the Big Show angle was supposed to be Vince.....they booked and advertised him being on tv the night after HIAC.....then they changed their minds. After they'd done the whole damn angle for two months. And then the payoff they came up with instead was super weak. Â They haven't even booked a single Survivor match yet. Or anything really. Two title matches and a tag match a week out. I think people who read my posts here know I'm a big fan of WWE's presentation, but how can I not shit on them when they book like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Wyatts Vs. Punk/Bryan makes sense. It makes sense because The Wyatts beat-up Punk/Bryan on RAW a couple weeks ago. This sentence epitomizes the dearth of creativity in WWE booking. How many feuds start these days because someone beats someone else up for no reason? There are no real storylines anymore, just vague feuds where the participants trade beatdown segments every week before a match at the big show, and then rinse and repeat until they have fought on about three consecutive PPVs. There are way too many rematches these days and way too many heatless, uninteresting feuds without a solid reason behind them. Â The night they started the program it was done very well. Bryan tries to cripple HBK.....Hunter doesn't come out to save him. Commercial. Backstage Bryan is brutally attacked by The Wyatts. Bray says, "the devil made me do it". Brie Bella is forced to wrestle immediately afterwards, visibly upset. Later in the show, The Wyatts target Punk....the one guy who hasn't been focused against "The Authority" because he's been so busy with Paul Heyman. Bryan and Punk are now allies with common enemies. Oh and to top that off, Bryan's former running buddy Kane, the guy who the Wyatts abducted and took off of tv.....kneels before Stephanie McMahon? Â This was all great stuff with so much potential if they connect the dots right.....problem is they haven't really been doing that since that night. I think whoever booked all that on RAW had great ideas.....but the next week they could all be tossed out the window because of way their creative is so chaotic and schizo. I can imagine what would be a great way to book all of that stuff into a cohesive and coherent story....but I doubt we'll see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Well that's by far WWE's biggest problem. People complain about creative, but clearly they have people who come up with good ideas. The issue is that they get changed around 100x a day before each show. It seems like Vince doesn't have anyone to tell him when something doesn't need changed around, and he's constantly second guessing things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 The question is do they really care that much about the quality of the product? They're making money doing the same stuff people have been complaining about for years. There are so many absurd missteps and periods of total mediocre shows that you could almost pick a random wrestling fan and they could book a more compelling product by themselves as long as they don't indulge in insanity like booking Cesaro vs. Regal as the WM main event or something. If enough people are tuning in (as long as Cena is around) then hey they're making their money. The question of course is what do they do if/when there's no more Cena. Â I hear a lot about how the problems are too unfocused, too many snap decisions/changes, Vince retuning everything minutes before the show, etc etc. but I don't see how that stuff even produces the overall stagnant product we have. I just don't see any EFFORT outside of a few key stories sometimes. It's not even that it's bad. It's just that nothing happens for a long time, then something happens and maybe it's neat for awhile, then after a few weeks it's not happening anymore and nothing happens again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I think when Punk said "Vince McMahon is a millionaire who should be a billionaire" is always right on the money. They seem to recognise a money making opportunity for about 8 weeks and then panic mode sets in when the ratings aren't amazing. Hell, maybe the infatuation with ratings in a DVR society is the telling reminder that WWE are still woefully behind the rest of television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I'm pretty sure them being down on Bryan comes more from bad buyrates than weak ratings. But I'll be surprised if Survivor Series doesn't do worse than the last 3 Bryan main evented PPVs. I think Orton vs Show is going to bomb because the undercard is definitely not strong enough to prop it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ridge Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 No clue what the card is since I don't watch TV but I'm hoping for a big Survivor Series elimination match since I'll be going to the show. And not one of those Diva matches. Something in the 30 minute range would be great. the card is insanely weak right now  Orton v Big Show, which ok, they've done a good job pushing Show and he's over as a babyface now, but nobody really wants to pay to see this  Cena v Del Rio? meh. Cena beat him clean with an injured arm, they totally threw Del Rio under the bus here. Nobody is gonna pay to see this, and nobody thinks Del Rio has a chance  Bryan/Punk v The Wyatts? I don't know what the f they are doing here. They did that big angle with Punk/Bryan/Usos/Rhodes family v The Shield and the Wyatts......then they book a tag match? why?  Ugh, that is just not very good. Can't believe they have only announced three matches at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 No clue what the card is since I don't watch TV but I'm hoping for a big Survivor Series elimination match since I'll be going to the show. And not one of those Diva matches. Something in the 30 minute range would be great. the card is insanely weak right now  Orton v Big Show, which ok, they've done a good job pushing Show and he's over as a babyface now, but nobody really wants to pay to see this  Cena v Del Rio? meh. Cena beat him clean with an injured arm, they totally threw Del Rio under the bus here. Nobody is gonna pay to see this, and nobody thinks Del Rio has a chance  Bryan/Punk v The Wyatts? I don't know what the f they are doing here. They did that big angle with Punk/Bryan/Usos/Rhodes family v The Shield and the Wyatts......then they book a tag match? why?  Ugh, that is just not very good. Can't believe they have only announced three matches at this point.   Now we've got Usos/Rhodes Brothers/??? vs Shield/Cesaro/Swagger in the 5 on 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Good news! Rhodes Brothers, Usos, Punk & Bryan Vs. Shield & Wyatt Family is on free TV tonight on country RAW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 A bit silly but I'm not complaining. Hope it gets time. After that first segment I just don't know wtf Trips and Steph are supposed to be right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 That was probably the loudest pop I've heard for a secondary title change in a long time. They might have something with Big E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Kofi and Miz......I don't know that there has ever been a team I cared less about....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Well, if they're gonna keep Miz, best have him as heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 how exactly does wwe expect us to feel about these vickie segments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 how exactly does wwe expect us to feel about these vickie segments Part of me was thinking that they were smartening up and turn AJ face, but I'm not holding my breath. Actually, between Vickie's "fainting" and JBL's commentary, the segment felt more like a shot at AJ more than anything. Â RAW gave us this great, and truthful, flub: Â HHH: "Who do you think you're talking to?" Orton: "The face of the WWE!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Great to see Xaiver Woods make to RAW after years it seems in NXT and FCW. Not sure if putting him with someone going nowhere like R-Truth will help but I guess it is better than going alone or with Kofi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 I had no idea music this lame still existed but of course it's associated with WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 I missed the main event. I heard it was good. Â I will be sure to tape SD! this week since the main event is supposed to be the Real Americans vs. Rhodes Brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Nice to see WWE Being A Star by mocking AJ fainting in Europe. It's not like they don't have two injury prone guys as champs right now....oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Nice to see WWE Being A Star by mocking AJ fainting in Europe. It's not like they don't have two injury prone guys as champs right now....oh wait.Even worse because it looks like she's lost 10 lbs. in a week. No wonder she's dehydrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 I actually got a kick out of that segment. Vickie was pretty great. I guess it was a shot at AJ but I thought it was pretty entertaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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