Exposer Posted February 1, 2014 Report Posted February 1, 2014 I don't understand the promo at all. He just got soundly beat by Cesaro. The yelling was awful too.
Jimmy Redman Posted February 1, 2014 Report Posted February 1, 2014 This is my problem with Dolph's entire gimmick. He's the show off, he's better than everyone else, "how damn good am I at this?", etc. Good at what exactly? Clearly not wrestling, because you always lose. And not even in a "I may lose, but.." way either, because all he does in matches is bump and make the other guy look good. It's like he's trying to be the new Shawn Michaels with the "it doesn't matter if he wins or loses, he steals the show" stuff, but what they're forgetting is that a) Shawn Michaels knew how to go on offence, and he only got that gimmick after years of actually being pushed on top and winning titles and being portrayed as the best wrestler in the company. Dolph is a gigantic loser who thinks he's better than everyone else. It makes zero sense. And he's a babyface!
Guest TheGreatPuma Posted February 1, 2014 Report Posted February 1, 2014 Ziggler's body language from his entrance to his movement in the ring is that of someone who has "the eye of the tiger". They got that spark in their step. You can look at somebody and see if they have this or not. People consciously/unconsciously have picked up on this and that's why he is over. If they use this promo and some more promos as well as some proper booking with him to go along with this he can be an over champ again. Remember how incredibly awesome and over his title win was. Love the ring entrance music too.
Coffey Posted February 2, 2014 Report Posted February 2, 2014 Ziggler's body language from his entrance to his movement in the ring is that of someone who has "the eye of the tiger". They got that spark in their step. You can look at somebody and see if they have this or not. People consciously/unconsciously have picked up on this and that's why he is over. What shows are you watching? Dude is a jobber. Just because he tells us he's good doesn't mean that he is. A WWE.com backstage promo where he just yells a lot doesn't make him good. Flying around like Mr. Perfect with springs in his boots doesn't either. He just isn't very good. Not a great promo, not a great worker. Kind of boring to be honest. Hell of an athlete though. He's exactly where he should be on the card, in my opinion. He's more like a Billy Gunn than a Shawn Michaels. Why should WWE use Dolph over say, Cesaro? To me, Dolph is in that category with The Miz, Curtis Axel & Kofi Kingston. The "I don't give a fuck & wish I could fast-forward live TV" category. I would love to see Loss or someone else talk about his punches. Does he have a thread in the Microscope?
Loss Posted February 2, 2014 Report Posted February 2, 2014 Feel free to start one. I'm not really a Dolph fan. That said, he gets a great reaction and I'd probably protect him a little bit more than they do if it was up to me for that reason.
artDDP Posted February 2, 2014 Report Posted February 2, 2014 Is Ziggler really over because he has the "eye of the tiger" or because he plays a cocky character? Fans seem to eat up cocky characters and modern fans seem to think bumping yourself into a few concussions makes you a great worker. From what I've seen I think he's just another Billy Gunn. I really don't get why he's so popular. For that matter, I don't get why Zack Ryder is popular, either.
Sean Liska Posted February 2, 2014 Report Posted February 2, 2014 The Del Rio PPV matches when he actually got pushed were way too good to say he's just Billy Gunn. Hell of a double turn they pulled off on Payback, it just didn't go anywhere.
Jimmy Redman Posted February 2, 2014 Report Posted February 2, 2014 I'm not knocking Dolph's ability as worker or anything like that, although I don't think he's ever been as good as some people seem to think he is. I just think his whole gimmick and persona is ridiculous in the context of WWE TV because he's a jobber who always gets beaten up and loses and then brags about how great he is. As a babyface the logic is even more absurd. The promo in question was OK in terms of his fire, but way too OTT and shooty for WWE TV and I'm not sure what it actually had to do with anything. Again, there's just a huge disconnect between how Dolph portrays himself and how WWE portrays him.
Sidebottom Posted February 2, 2014 Report Posted February 2, 2014 The thing with Dolph is, he has never really been given the chance to sink or swim on his own. The company clearly doesn't have faith in him as a talker, that's why he has always had side acts up to now - and I can't remember the last time he had mic time on TV. The same could be said of a lot of wrestlers over the past five or so years. He is awful as a face frankly also, his best foot was definitely forward as a heel. There are a lot of pieces of the puzzle he still needs to put in place. But seeing as he has been around for almost ten years, I question whether that is happening any time soon.
cm funk Posted February 2, 2014 Report Posted February 2, 2014 The Del Rio PPV matches when he actually got pushed were way too good to say he's just Billy Gunn. Hell of a double turn they pulled off on Payback, it just didn't go anywhere. Exactly. I've been a Billy Gunn defender for years, but Billy could never cut it as a singles wrestler. He bombed hard as KOTR and in PPV matches with Rock and Benoit. Dolph has had, dare I say it, some great single matches over the years. With Rey, Bryan, Cena, Del Rio, Orton and I'm sure many others. Guy can go. His problem is the half-assed ways he's been pushed over the years. The double turn with Del Rio was brilliantly executed and he was on the verge of being a huge babyface right then. Then he got the concussion, and they didn't like some stuff he said on twitter, so now he's a jobber. Go figure.
goc Posted February 2, 2014 Report Posted February 2, 2014 The Del Rio PPV matches when he actually got pushed were way too good to say he's just Billy Gunn. Hell of a double turn they pulled off on Payback, it just didn't go anywhere.I agree with this, that double turn match was the best match of the PPV and I almost didn't even watch it I was so uninterested to begin with. But they didn't capitalize. By the time their next PPV match came around, I was back to not caring even though the two had just had a hell of a match the month before. As far as Dolph as a top of the card guy, I don't see it. He's not a World Title guy, especially now that there is only 1. He's a guy who can challenge the champ every now and then but never win. He's all bumps and selling. Which can take you a long way, but not all the way unless you have something to add to it.
Guest The Jiz Posted February 3, 2014 Report Posted February 3, 2014 So Cena might be seriously injured... even God hated the Royal Rumble finish!
Jmare007 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Posted February 3, 2014 Nah. https://twitter.com/KurtannaJPruitt/status/...3137536/photo/1 Got a picture with @JohnCena and one of the Bella twins today as they were having lunch next to where I work pic.twitter.com/m2pfsrngnn His eye is swollen shut but it's he's not gonna miss any significant time. Watch him come out on RAW, look at the camera man and say "Ohh it's great to SEE you guys again!"
Guest TheGreatPuma Posted February 3, 2014 Report Posted February 3, 2014 His eye is swollen shut but it's he's not gonna miss any significant time. Watch him come out on RAW, look at the camera man and say "Ohh it's great to SEE you guys again!" [/q ***** I can see Cena doing that.
Matt D Posted February 3, 2014 Report Posted February 3, 2014 Raw is going to be weird between the Bryan hijacking, the potential for CM Punk chants, One-Eyed Cena and NAO in a Tag Team Cage match in 2014. I wonder if the Shield promo about Punk was a dry run for Raw. I'm going to be automatically disappointed since nothing, in my head, can live up to Cory Graves as Fake Diesel CM Punk, and for some strange reason, I don't think they're going to do that. Midget Punk would be pretty good too though.
Superstar Sleeze Posted February 3, 2014 Report Posted February 3, 2014 The only thing I remember about last week's RAW was Rollins wiping out in the opening segment and his pissed off reaction. Just thinking about it is making me laugh again. That was a pretty boring RAW.
cheapshot Posted February 3, 2014 Report Posted February 3, 2014 Here's hoping for an appearance by CP Munk now that CHIKARA is back.
hammerva Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 I have no idea where this RAW is since I am half watching but fuck the people of this city for absolutely killing Emma's debut. The Emma dance rules
tim Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 It should be noted that Omaha, not a smark town and a crowd that didn't care for the debut of a prominent NXT star and didn't pop too big for Ziggler, has been chanting for Punk all night and booed Batista.
Loss Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 Shield vs Wyatts seems like it should be more out of control and have a bigger element of danger. The segments are too "neat" with the lights out for every single Wyatts attack and the Shield's perfectly worded promo in perfect lighting. It's heel vs heel. The "oh shit" feel should be much stronger than it is, instead of just coming across as an ordinary PPV match.
tim Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 Shield vs Wyatts seems like it should be more out of control and have a bigger element of danger. The segments are too "neat" with the lights out for every single Wyatts attack and the Shield's perfectly worded promo in perfect lighting. It's heel vs heel. The "oh shit" feel should be much stronger than it is, instead of just coming across as an ordinary PPV match.Exactly how I'm feeling. As depressing as WWE's handling of Daniel Bryan is, the little things just like their inability to make a big, anticipate match up at all exciting during the build up is more so because it speaks to everything about the product.
Loss Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 Yeah, and the way they're booking it, I don't expect the heat to be anything special for that match except for maybe whatever spots are there to make Roman Reigns look good. But yeah, this seems like it should be a really big deal but it isn't.
Coffey Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 Considering it was just a throwaway match that didn't mean anything on free TV, without any build whatsoever, I liked the Sheamus Vs. Curtis Axel match. Axel worked the shoulder of Sheamus, the commentators put over Sheamus having previous shoulder problems then the guy that's more established won with his finish clean in the middle. Need more matches like that.
Jmare007 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 I'm loving the Shield/Wyatts feud so far. I agree that the end game should be an all out, dangerous brawl between the 2 factions but considering how little time they have to build the match and that it seems there's no way they'll get more than 1 PPV match between them, I don't see how their program gets to be as memorable as it should be.
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 Since we have three weeks until the PPV, I'd imagine the chaos between the teams is coming up. Right now it's dueling promos. And I'm loving these promos. Ambrose's bit reminded me of that great Diesel promo when he was fueding with Taker, "I AIN'T AFRAID OF THE DARK!"
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