Undertaker > Hogan

[jdw]

If you've never read it, the Macleans article about the "Valerie" contract dispute/lawsuit is awesome: http://www2.macleans.ca/2008/11/28/the-20t...t-dispute-ever/

That's an awesome article.

 

John

[Ricky Jackson]

Just read this. I don't think it has been mentioned yet. It's from the book The Bad Guys Won by Jeff Pearlman, about the 1986 New York Mets. On page 63 is the following quote:

 

"Up until the early to mid-80s, Cardinals versus the Mets was no more of a rivarly than Hulk Hogan versus Molly Ringwald."

 

[Kevin Ridge]

Way back in the day when I was in one of those E-Fed groups I had a character named Molly Ringwald's Boyfriend playing up Louie Spicolli's Madonna one. Who knew she had such crossover appeal in wrestling. Vince should have had her at one of the WrestleManias.

[NintendoLogic]

This isn't exactly scientific, but I played the name recognition game with a 33-year-old female acquaintance. She knew who Hulk Hogan was, but she had never heard of Molly Ringwald.

[Yo-Yo's Roomie]

I asked my wife, who is 34. She said she felt like Ringwald and Hogan were about equal in fame at the time, but girls were more likely to know Ringwald, and boys more likely to know Hogan. Stands to reason really.

[cheapshot]

I asked my wife, who is 34. She said she felt like Ringwald and Hogan were about equal in fame at the time, but girls were more likely to know Ringwald, and boys more likely to know Hogan. Stands to reason really.

I am 100% convinced that ANY member of this board who is married, their wife would of heard of Hulk Hogan.

[Yo-Yo's Roomie]

We weren't married in the 80s.

[cheapshot]

We weren't married in the 80s.

I think if they married you, and you are a hardcore fan, they'd of heard of Hogan due to this.

[Yo-Yo's Roomie]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. I asked her who she felt was a bigger star in the 80s. She said her perception was that they were about equal. She obviously knew who Hogan was before she even knew I existed.

[cheapshot]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. I asked her who she felt was a bigger star in the 80s. She said her perception was that they were about equal. She obviously knew who Hogan was before she even knew I existed.

My apologises, I got your and NintendoLogic's posts muddled completely.

[Yo-Yo's Roomie]

Ah, okay, no worries. I was thinking I was misreading something.

[goodhelmet]

I wasnt keeping up with this thread until the last time Sorrow and I were talking on the phone. He claimed most people who grew up in the 80s would know the name John Hughes. I claimed most people would have no idea who John Hughes was. After the conversation, i asked my wife, "who's John Hughes?" She had no idea but she has seen every Hughes film mentioned in this thread. As afar as directors, I thik people would definitely recognize Speilberg and maybe Lucas. after that, would the average peson recognize any director? Scorcese? Coppola?

[JerryvonKramer]

I had that same argument with him Will. But doing some research, it does seem like films were sold under Hughes's name. I found a poster for Home Alone with "A John Hughes film" above the title. Seems to have had at least a cult following. I watched some trailers to see if they made a deal out of Hughes as director, and they did.

 

This might get lost in translation but I came to the conclusion that he's like the American version of Richard Curtis (Four Weddings and a Funeral, Notting Hill, Love Actually, Bridget Jones). Not so much a director whose name can sell a movie (a la Spielberg, Tarantino, Scorsese), but rather a kind of rubber-stamp guarantee of a certain type of film (in Curtis's case, schmaltzy rom-coms, usually starring Hugh Grant, in Hughes's case schmaltzy comedies, usually centred on teens or else John Candy!) Hope that makes sense.

[BrickHithouse]

I wasnt keeping up with this thread until the last time Sorrow and I were talking on the phone. He claimed most people who grew up in the 80s would know the name John Hughes. I claimed most people would have no idea who John Hughes was. After the conversation, i asked my wife, "who's John Hughes?" She had no idea but she has seen every Hughes film mentioned in this thread. As afar as directors, I thik people would definitely recognize Speilberg and maybe Lucas. after that, would the average peson recognize any director? Scorcese? Coppola?

I don't know exactly what this says about me, but I knew who John Holmes was in the 80's and had never heard of John Hughes until the 90's or 00's.

[PeteF3]

Scorcese? Coppola?

Hitchcock. Also immediately, definitively recognizable on sight, which I couldn't have done for any of the others until I was at least a teenager, and still couldn't right now for Hughes.

[ohtani's jacket]

I had that same argument with him Will. But doing some research, it does seem like films were sold under Hughes's name. I found a poster for Home Alone with "A John Hughes film" above the title. Seems to have had at least a cult following. I watched some trailers to see if they made a deal out of Hughes as director, and they did.

 

This might get lost in translation but I came to the conclusion that he's like the American version of Richard Curtis (Four Weddings and a Funeral, Notting Hill, Love Actually, Bridget Jones). Not so much a director whose name can sell a movie (a la Spielberg, Tarantino, Scorsese), but rather a kind of rubber-stamp guarantee of a certain type of film (in Curtis's case, schmaltzy rom-coms, usually starring Hugh Grant, in Hughes's case schmaltzy comedies, usually centred on teens or else John Candy!) Hope that makes sense.

Hughes was his own genre in the 80s. That doesn't mean that everyone will remember his name just the folks with a particular connection to his films. Spy magazine claimed that Hughes was more Capra than Capra in the early 90s.

[ohtani's jacket]

I wasnt keeping up with this thread until the last time Sorrow and I were talking on the phone. He claimed most people who grew up in the 80s would know the name John Hughes. I claimed most people would have no idea who John Hughes was. After the conversation, i asked my wife, "who's John Hughes?" She had no idea but she has seen every Hughes film mentioned in this thread. As afar as directors, I thik people would definitely recognize Speilberg and maybe Lucas. after that, would the average peson recognize any director? Scorcese? Coppola?

It depends on how old the person is. Cecil B. DeMille, Charlie Chaplan, John Ford, Frank Capra and Alfred Hitchcock were all famous in their lifetimes. Actors like Ron Howard and Clint Eastwood obviously have added notoriety. More people would have heard of Woody Allen than have seen his films. Spike Lee would be known amongst sports fans. Oliver Stone was big for a while. People may know Kubrick too.

[tigerpride]

I had that same argument with him Will. But doing some research, it does seem like films were sold under Hughes's name. I found a poster for Home Alone with "A John Hughes film" above the title. Seems to have had at least a cult following. I watched some trailers to see if they made a deal out of Hughes as director, and they did.

 

This might get lost in translation but I came to the conclusion that he's like the American version of Richard Curtis (Four Weddings and a Funeral, Notting Hill, Love Actually, Bridget Jones). Not so much a director whose name can sell a movie (a la Spielberg, Tarantino, Scorsese), but rather a kind of rubber-stamp guarantee of a certain type of film (in Curtis's case, schmaltzy rom-coms, usually starring Hugh Grant, in Hughes's case schmaltzy comedies, usually centred on teens or else John Candy!) Hope that makes sense.

Hughes wrote the film. Chris Columbus directed it

[JerryvonKramer]

Hughes wrote the film. Chris Columbus directed it

Yes, and the fact that he's named on that Home Alone poster actually strengthens the idea of him having some name value. How many WRITERS get top of the line credit? Richard Curtis was also "only" the writer on most of those films I mentioned.

[Matt D]

Hughes wrote the film. Chris Columbus directed it

Yes, and the fact that he's named on that Home Alone poster actually strengthens the idea of him having some name value. How many WRITERS get top of the line credit? Richard Curtis was also "only" the writer on most of those films I mentioned.

 

Hughes was a producer too. That's sort of how old Hollywood worked. The Producer would get the billing of it being "A Louis B. Mayer Film" or whatever.

[JerryvonKramer]

True, it's possible that's going on too. He is mentioned in trailers though.

 

My instinct says that for Joe Public it's more a case of "from the man who brought you Breakfast Club and Ferris Bueller's Day Off AND Planes, Trains and Automobiles ... here's Uncle Buck!"

[jdw]

Hughes wrote the film. Chris Columbus directed it

Yes, and the fact that he's named on that Home Alone poster actually strengthens the idea of him having some name value. How many WRITERS get top of the line credit? Richard Curtis was also "only" the writer on most of those films I mentioned.

 

 

It's how he rolled, even back to the similar Pretty In Pink that he wrote and produced but didn't direct.

 

He pretty much was more than a writer on those films, along with others. It was pretty much his production house, and he had a healthy ego to get his name out in front.

 

John

[goodhelmet]

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5573525[/url]' date='Nov 20 2013, 08:29 PM']I wasnt keeping up with this thread until the last time Sorrow and I were talking on the phone. He claimed most people who grew up in the 80s would know the name John Hughes. I claimed most people would have no idea who John Hughes was. After the conversation, i asked my wife, "who's John Hughes?" She had no idea but she has seen every Hughes film mentioned in this thread. As afar as directors, I thik people would definitely recognize Speilberg and maybe Lucas. after that, would the average peson recognize any director? Scorcese? Coppola?

It depends on how old the person is. Cecil B. DeMille, Charlie Chaplan, John Ford, Frank Capra and Alfred Hitchcock were all famous in their lifetimes. Actors like Ron Howard and Clint Eastwood obviously have added notoriety. More people would have heard of Woody Allen than have seen his films. Spike Lee would be known amongst sports fans. Oliver Stone was big for a while. People may know Kubrick too.

 

 

Yeah, I disqualify Chaplin, Howard and Eastwood because of their acting careers. Hitchcock is a great one. I knew who Hitchcock was when I was in grade school.

[Matt D]

I was born in 81 and anecdotally, I think most people I went to high school/college with would know what The Breakfast Club or Ferris Bueller was, but not necessarily who John Hughes was.

 

Actually, I'll ask my wife later, but my stepson is named, in part, after a Ferris Bueller character and she can quote parts of the movie, and she probably doesn't know who John Hughes is. She knows who Molly Ringwald is, but she just doesn't care all that much who wrote or produced something.

[Sidebottom]

For a little younger look I was born in '92, and I'd be willing to guess not even 70% of my friends know who John Hughes is.

John Who's?