Loss Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I'm all for spirited and even occasionally heated debates. But when it starts driving people away from the board and actually lowers the discourse instead of making it better, I'm not interested. Would you prefer more mod/admin intervention in cases like this, or should we continue our hands-off approach? Please post here. PM me your thoughts if you have a suggestion but don't want to be linked to it in front of everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickHithouse Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I hope everyone here gets cancer or AIDS. I fucking hate wrestling and have no respect for anyone here. Fuck all of you and your fucking families too. Elitist fucking cunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I wasn't going to ban you, despite you PMing me to request that I do so. I had a feeling whatever anger was there would blow over, and you'd rescind your request. But you're not really leaving me with much choice, dude. I don't want you to get cancer or AIDS, but I do hope you have a happy, fulfilling life away from the wrestling. Bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooley Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Well that escalated quickly. As for mods, maybe just a gentle reminder in PM when things get a little over the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I think it's reached the point where stronger moderation is required. I hate that because I have been in many heated exchanges over the years, but it's getting to the point now where we have people who can't stay on topic, can't help but take cheap shots, can't separate the post from the poster. This goes far beyond Brick and whatever was going on with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I thought he was kidding about stuff. Man the internet makes reading tone tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenjo Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I hope everyone here gets cancer or AIDS. I fucking hate wrestling and have no respect for anyone here. Fuck all of you and your fucking families too. Elitist fucking cunts. I've no idea if this guy is doing a parody of a deranged troll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrklarr Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I gotta know, Brick! Is this a work or a shoot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I don't get why someone would actually ask to be banned. If I decide that I don't want to post here anymore, then I'll just stop coming here and stop posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busterira Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 This is the best heel turn since Ole Anderson in 1980. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 With Brick escorted out of the building, does this mean the Harley Race thread is dead? I enjoy most of the long drawn out debates that happen around here. Sometimes it does get a little mind numbing when the people debating go around and around on the same point for multiple posts when it's obvious that neither will change their mind. It's not a huge deal, though. In those instances, I say have a mod bud in and ask to move the conversation forward. If that doesn't work, close the thread and move on. Also, longtime posters should be given a little more leeway than newer members. If name calling ensues or someone has a meltdown like Brick, don't waste any time, just ban them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I thought he was kidding about stuff. Man the internet makes reading tone tough. Agreed. And really, what the fuck happened here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busterira Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I am not really sure what really lead to the actual breakdown. But you can see his decent into madness in the Pat Patterson thread. It was originally in the tag team thread. Just bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Coming back to Loss's original point. Mostly everyone gets on here. Mostly everyone. But here are some things that are guaranteed to piss people off: - Talking about your personal opinions whether that be views of matches or your interpretation of aspects of wrestling history as if they are fact or gospel. History is not a science, it's a humanity. We have certain facts but the conclusions we draw are inferences. So "what was Hitler's biggest mistake in WW2" is a matter of interpretation. You can make claims and back them up with evidence. But just because you are doing that, doesn't mean that your conclusion is the only possible one. Ergo, someone is not an idiot because they think Star Wars changed the way films are made, because they think the economy had a role to play in the decline of Mid-South, because they think Vince McMahon changed wrestling, because they think Tanahashi deserved his Hall of Fame spot, and so on and so forth. That we debate such questions makes this board great. But if all such arguments devolve into one of the two sides being essentially pilloried for what is, after all, usually perfectly reasonable conclusions based on the evidence then that makes the board a worse place to be. Surely, every reasonable person would agree with that, no? I would hope they would. If we're asking for tighter moderation, I'd ask for it in moments where a given poster comes out and uses the word "wrong". I'm not talking about situations where a stable fact like a date or the figures on a gate might be wrong, but in these scenarios where educated and intelligent people are looking at the evidence and drawing inferences. There's no "wrong" in such cases. You might agree with one person's conclusions more than another person's but "wrong"? That's the sort of thing that is guaranteed to flare tempers. It's a disrespectful and ultimately harmful way of pursuing an argument. Most people don't go down that route but the people here who do make this place a less welcoming environment for newcomers and for established members alike. We all want to get along, so if you're going to argue don't be a dick about it. Speaking of which ... - Talking down to people who disagree with your conclusions and saying things like "You don't know anything about pro wrestling or its history". There is no one on this board who doesn't know anything about pro wrestling. So don't act as if you've got a monopoly on wrestling knowledge. Also remember that people can read and learn more and watch more, as we are all doing all the time. There are more pleasant ways of disagreeing. - Denigrating other posters using facile images or otherwise name calling. Really an extension of the last point. I have unfortunately succumb to this temptation a few times myself, but only after I've felt very frustrated with someone I thought was being entirely unreasonble and borderline inhuman. With tighter moderation and people abiding by the sort of civil discourse I've been outlining, it probably would never have got that far. - Refusing to agree to disagree. This is a big one for PWO. If after going back and forth it's obvious that you are not going to agree, and the other person has said "ok, let's leave this". Don't make 15 more posts hammering your point home. 1. It's going to piss off that person and draw them back to something they clearly don't want to be a part of any more. 2. It's likely going to kill the thread dead there and there. 3. It's not going to go anywhere since the other person has clearly made up their mind already. Ideally of course, you are arguing to the point where you reach some common ground or at least see the other person's point of view. But that requires conceding ground, acknowledging good points the other person has made, and generally arguing more like you're in a nice university seminar rather than a court of law. We know from experience on this board that not all posters are like that. Ideally you should be charitable to the person with whom you are debating, not seek to destroy them. I'd love to think we could use this thread to turn a corner, at least if the moderators agreed to some of these principles ("the spirit of good debate"), they could at least intervene when they are being contravened. But I feel like we've said all this at least twice before, experience has made me sceptical. Certain leopards don't change their spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrklarr Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Well if it isn't too late, I'd just like to send out a plea for Brick to stay. I find his sense of humor to be irreplaceable. Don't go, man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Brick has always amused me so I'd be disappointed to see him go, especially when I know how easy it is to misread things in email / online. That being said, much like when the court defined pornography, I think you know when things have crossed a line when you see it. When the discussion is no longer about wrestling and has devolved to personal attacks, its time to end things. And on that note, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone here -- hope you and yours have a great holiday with some wrestling to follow tonight or tomorrow. Time for this guy to go see his loved ones and eat for the rest of the day. Enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Is it possible that his account was hacked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busterira Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Is it possible that his account was hacked? Honestly, I was just thinking the same thing. It just seems so out of character for him and from out of nowhere. Like if if you click on his profile you notice he went and edited his posts with the same stuff. It's just weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Well if it isn't too late, I'd just like to send out a plea for Brick to stay. I find his sense of humor to be irreplaceable. Don't go, man! I would reinstate him, but would insist on an apology. Don't hold your breath. Is it possible that his account was hacked? Yes. He actually once failed a wellness exam after taking a legal over the counter supplement too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Is BrickHithouse Victator? Just a week ago he was asking how he could read Vic's posts, and now here he is getting banned and acting nutty the same way Vic did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I'd rather we cut back on people quoting two lines, writing three or four paragraphs in response, rinse repeat. Reeks of "I'm going to keep writing until you are too bored to respond any further". But not wishing AIDS on each other is good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I hope everyone here gets cancer or AIDS. I don't know, if we wished us cancer and AIDS I could see banning him, but he gave us the choice ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoos Leg Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Is it possible that his account was hacked? Nope. I actually had sent him an email last night before seeing this thread. He said he had been banned and "burnt the bridge." So, unless someone also hacked his email… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 I gotta know, Brick! Is this a work or a shoot? I gotta know, Brick, it is you and long-time forum poster, jdw in a flame-war. Who is calling this thing? Are you calling it as you go? Is it 50-50? God, I love Austin. :D I don't know what the straw was that broke the camel's back, but it is a damn shame. I enjoyed doing a podcast with Brick the one time I did. I hope all is well with him. When I was thinking about what I was thankful for, I gotta say this place ranks high up on the list. I love it here. Hope everyone has a Happy Thanksgiving! I am going to watch some wrestling now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Man, so many people I've done Internet radio / Podcasts with have gone mental. Maybe it's me. Watch out Parv, Pete, Kelly, Will, and Kris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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