Loss Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Can we not have a conversation about Warrior's personal character, please? It's not going to go anywhere good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 It just makes me think of the podcast (Segunda Caida?) where they went through the entire WWE Hall Of Fame to that point and discussed which entrants were worse people than Ian Rotten. "I thought it was going to be 80%, it wound up being more like 30-40%." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I think Vince should induct him, but I doubt Vince has it in him to give Warrior the tribute he deserves I love the text of the letter that they sent him to get him to work Summerslam 91. I know I saw that sometime in the last 24 hours but I forget where. Â Whaa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted January 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 It just makes me think of the podcast (Segunda Caida?) where they went through the entire WWE Hall Of Fame to that point and discussed which entrants were worse people than Ian Rotten. "I thought it was going to be 80%, it wound up being more like 30-40%." I remember jumping in on that show having no idea what the fuck they were talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I think Vince should induct him, but I doubt Vince has it in him to give Warrior the tribute he deserves I love the text of the letter that they sent him to get him to work Summerslam 91. I know I saw that sometime in the last 24 hours but I forget where.  Whaa? I can't find the thing, but I know I read it. When temporarily caving into his demands, Vince wrote Warrior a letter of apology that basically said that Warrior was the most valued member of the WWF family and he respected him as a friend and a performer, or something. Then they suspended him right after the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I think Vince should induct him, but I doubt Vince has it in him to give Warrior the tribute he deserves I love the text of the letter that they sent him to get him to work Summerslam 91. I know I saw that sometime in the last 24 hours but I forget where.  Whaa? I can't find the thing, but I know I read it. When temporarily caving into his demands, Vince wrote Warrior a letter of apology that basically said that Warrior was the most valued member of the WWF family and he respected him as a friend and a performer, or something. Then they suspended him right after the show.  Whaa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Al Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 It's a lock that Jake is going in this year, beyond that I don't know. Freebirds and Magnum make sense. Taker and Paul Bearer will be a a package deal but I assume they're holding off on Taker for a while. Savage obviously should already be in, but with Warrior as the headliner that means no Savage this year. Goldberg maybe. It's been long rumored, and will happen eventually. I do think they're going to want some big guns with it being WMXXX....so I can't rule anyone out really With Savage deceased, I wouldn't rule him out. WWE probably wouldn't use a dead wrestler as a headliner on Hall of Fame night. Every ceremony they've closed with someone alive to accept the honor. I can't see them wanting to close out the ceremony with a speech by Lanny Poffo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Found part of the letter after following a Wikipedia citation to lawsuit docs on PACER. WWE submitted part of it as an exhibit, but Warrior said it was incomplete and added the rest as one of his exhibits. This is the portion Warrior added: Â I regret the turmoil you've put yourself though and your agonizing over what you feel is fair compensation. And even though we have a difference of opinion over some of these matters, I am resolved to work with you in the same honest and equitable way that I always have. Furthermore, I would like to express to you my deepest appreciation and admiration for you as a performer, as a member of the WWF family, as a man, and as my friend.Grabbed a ton of stuff from that last lawsuit as Warrior and WWE both included a lot of interesting stuff (including what looks like pictures of the HGH boxes that got him fired in '92!) as exhibits that got scanned into PACER. Will sort through it later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Scanned PDF of the full letter: http://bit.ly/1hrRrGc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted January 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Damn, $550,000 for one match... fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 July 13. Â Was there any reason that they didn't just say screw him and put Sid in the role instead? That was plenty of time to build him up, right? I don't have time to look to see if all the pre-summerslam tapings were done by that point though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Handwritten Warrior letter that led to the Vince letter (someone is transcribing it for me so it's more legible): http://bit.ly/1m7OU4d  July 13.  Was there any reason that they didn't just say screw him and put Sid in the role instead? That was plenty of time to build him up, right? I don't have time to look to see if all the pre-summerslam tapings were done by that point though. I was thinking the same thing, I didn't know there was a gap of close to a month and a half. They taped 2 weeks of pre-SummerSlam shows and the post-SummerSlam show at the end of July so yeah, if Vince wanted to, he could have just fired Warrior and moved Sid to being Hogan's partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 When did they switch away from the Warrior centric Superstars opening. He didn't draw but that didn't mean he wasn't otherwise marketable. They had Hulk vs Flair on the horizon so losing Warrior wasn't that big a concern, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Warrior letter transcription. Amazing:  ---  Vince- Writing this is a different approach in expressing my feelings about the things we discussed the last 2 days under the pressure of TV. knowing that any second someone would be knocking on the door, etc. Every other avenue we tried - via phone, face to face, myself still walking away with unanswered questions. Alwys put off till a later date. Always with the same result - no result.  Writing sometimes allows a person to express feelings or say things that don't come in conversations such as we have. Some of the things will once again become repetitive - so what I've heard "in an Essence" at least a million times. I've tried to speak as a friend but sometimes you don't hear. I've spoken as a professional but the direction always gets changed. No you never let me leave with-out a response, but the words you speak never have any definitives. My whole life for the last 5 years has had no room for anthing but definitives (Los Angelese on Thurs, San Diego on Friday, San Francisco Sat. Sacrementon on Sunday, Prime Time on Monday...) but you always have to have the best way of time. Time to say stew things over to work them your way.  pg 2  I have been from day 1 different from the others. I have sacrificed myself enough both in my personal life and physical well being. The fairness you say you want everyone to have is unfair to me. I grew in 5 (five) years to become what the "Ultimate Warrior" is today, Always questioning, but nonethless taking him in the direction you wanted him to go ast any particular time. Done what would and has taken other 10-15 years. The points and suggestions you have made over the last 5 years were very well taken. Now I look at other individuals with less than 1/3 the creativity, desire and hunger I had (have) and wonder how you can look and see them as The One. For you as a friend I pray all the things you believe in rise to the surface and present themselves. Then there is the side that says "What the f man?" When I was thought of as The One the topics of conversation were - "Treat the veterans with respect". The veterans you spite are the very ones who will fuck it up for you. No matter I listened. I would go to ring push myself to the brink of a heart attack and you would say "When you go to the corner - SMILE?!?! you spoke of the Ultimate Warrior appeaking to all, old, young, ugly, beautiful, fat, skinny, black, white.  pg 3  A character who would show ups and downs emotions and intensities, sensativities and cold-heartedness when it was needed. Like a yo-yo I obliged so I could be The One. Where the hell are this man's ups and downs. - Total jugular-vein popping yelling at all times. Is this the Total Picture, character, or presentation that can be The One? I learned with you to show intensity at this level but also to show just as much intensity with the look of my eyes or with the whisoer of y voice or even better - extreme intensity in total silence. I did all you asked. The the long-term plan changed. At first I was relectant for what I believed were the right reasons - but once again I went with what I knew I could believe in - "Vince has never fucked me" I dealt with what you thought was best no matter what the cost to me. , no matter the countless # of sleepless nights there were to come, no matter the # of times I had to knock on your door with questions I should never have had. For the last 2 1/12 years I should have never had the questions I did. To stand and make a videotaped aploogy for something I neved did made me realize all we have is business.  Pg 4  Once again I went without sleep, if ever I do so again it will be because I elect to, not because my wandering mind says to do so. In reaching this conclusion I ask for these things. You say 500,000 for Wrestlemania is unfair, then I say the last 8 1/2 years of not being compensated equally when I meant as much or more to the companywas total bullshit and most definitely unfair. I have sacrificed more than 500,000 more than 1 million dollars, even more in monies that should have been paid to mein receiving equal compensation as Hulk. I paid my goddamn dues long ago. I need not pay anymore. I have given everything and never once was there a knock on my fucking door. Whether to bullshit as a friend or help me thru my times of need or you trusting me to help you thru yours. I ask for these things vince and the answers must come for the next event is upon you. It has been for me the 5 years and for you to tell me you need to ealuate whether or not I'm cost-effective and this takes time us unfair. A show runs at a given time and date - I have always been there, never asking for time to see if I have the rest, food or whatever it takes to make it. Now I ask the same of you.  Pg 5  I want (1) $550,000 release from the monies alloted me to purchase my home. This will suffice as my Wrestlemania VII payoff, but let it be noted it is not fair. I meant as much or more to that show as Hulk - I deserve to be paid the same (I know what Hulk will get) (2) 4 days off every other time off period - except Pay Per View only. (3) I want the same pay cut as Hulk gets on all Pay-Per-Views, SNME, FRIDAY PRIMETIME, house shows and proof as such. The same pay cut applies to what Hulk has been paid with relationshio to past events Wrestlemania V, VI, VII i.e when Hulk was top draw. (4) I want numbers and prove of monies don on 1-900-Hulk and likewise same pay cut. (5) Same pay cut on all forms of merchandising. Because I have had to always knock on your door Words alone are not good enough. I understand Doug Sages is on Vacation, call him take his days off away like you do to the boys and myself and have it written. Everytime I had to knock upon your door upon leaving I have always apologized. I no long feel I have any reason to apologize, Therefore I will not. I have tried to speak as a friend, but maybe I don't have the qualitiesyou required to seek me out as a friend. The videotaped apology was the icinig on the cake - you see it as business so whether I like it or not I must do the same. Whatever your decision I can and will live with it Till then I remain home with one who cares  -Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indikator Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 "...8 1/2 years..." Does Warrior imply he started in January 1983? Â Also I DEMAND Spoony to make that letter into a promo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonsault Marvin Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 It looks like it was a 5 that he scribbled out and turned into 1 not an 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 He hates Hogan and has done a few rants the past few years exposing his infidelity and drug habits when they were both on top. No way is it Hogan. Hulk Hogan Doesn't Hate Ultimate Warrior Anymore  Looks like Hogan would take the spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Wow is he broke. Hogan is doing a total job at Wrestlemania! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Jiz Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Loss, thanks for that. Warrior's personal character isn't an interesting topic of discussion. Â Where is everyone getting this stuff from? Are Warrior and WWE publishing all this stuff now to defend their POVs? I'm confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Jiz Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 One thing I'm wondering is where Warrior gets $500k for one match at Wrestlemania. That sounds an awful lot for a semi-main event act. IIRC, Jericho was paid a lot less for headlining Wrestlemania in 2002, and that was an event that drew a lot more money (though in fairness, it also had a lot more star power than Wrestlemania VII, pressuring a downward distribution of wealth). IIRC, Dave Meltzer once said that even Hulk Hogan only got around $300,000 for headlining Wrestlemania. That sounds about right given that he'd get around $10000 for an MSG gate according to Dynamite Kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 He was asking for parity with Hogan. Vince ended up not paying him that much, IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Jiz Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 He was asking for parity with Hogan. Vince ended up not paying him that much, IIRC. At around $25 x 450000 buys x .45 of the cut, that leaves around $5,000,000 for talent. Between those two, Slaughter, and Savage, and the rest of the roster, Vince probably pocketed had around 3 million dollars to distribute to talent in the 12 other matches. So 30 guys at $20,000, Vince probably pocketed around 2.4 million from the event, which is a lot but is probably chump change compared to what they're bringing in now, even with increases in production costs. Crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victory Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Man, who the hell inducts Warrior? Â Cena? Sting? Backlund cutting a crazy promo? Vince? Mojo Rawley? Honky Tonk Man? Jake? Papa Shango? Taker? Hogan? Phil Collins? I could see Punk doing it, he has always said he deserves to go in the HOF . At one point Warrior only had two guys on Twitter that he followed ( Punk and Austin), so he must have some mutual respect for Punk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Thanks Bix for sharing that insightful text, great find! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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