C.S. Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Is the match that Dibase is talking about the one in Japan on the Greatest Matches show on Tuesday or Wednesday? If so then I don't see what he is complaining about. I haven't watched the full Legends of WrestleMania panel yet - can't stand the format compared to the old Legends of Wrestling roundtables - but did Ted specifically mention the Japan match, or did he just mention *a* match, and then footage of the Japan match played? If so, Ted could have been referring to the better one, despite what the footage would indicate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Their match on NBC later in 1990 was a good match -- between the match and the Savage angle, probably the best Warrior looked as champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrainfollower Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 No he specifically said it was a very good match. The Japan one. You almost think he's gonna tell the truth when Slaughter mentions the one he had in 91 in Japan but then changes his mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrainfollower Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Basically Slaughter brings up his 91 one as good and Ted says that's interesting because in 90 the fans didn't know Warrior but they had a very good match. He implies the Japanese fans loved Warrior at the end of it. Looking completely honest and truthful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Ok, so 14 years ago. You don't think HHH was towing the corporate line then? I know that in the minds of lots of fans every single thing a guy has ever said or done has to still be an active factor in what they're like now, but that's actually a fucking insane way to interpret people, especially in the entertainment biz. Shit, let's say, yes...in 2000 HHH really was harboring ill feelings and had bad things to say about Warrior. Why is it so inconceivable that after 14 years his feelings have changed? I know for certain that 14 years ago I said a lot of shit I know was stupid now. What's more likely? HHH changed his tune on Warrior or saw that he's in a position to make money off of Warrior's legacy now? More likely HHH was a fan of the fucking body builder and back when he wasn't in charge he bashed him like all good employees were told to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dooley Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Ok, so 14 years ago. You don't think HHH was towing the corporate line then? I know that in the minds of lots of fans every single thing a guy has ever said or done has to still be an active factor in what they're like now, but that's actually a fucking insane way to interpret people, especially in the entertainment biz. Shit, let's say, yes...in 2000 HHH really was harboring ill feelings and had bad things to say about Warrior. Why is it so inconceivable that after 14 years his feelings have changed? I know for certain that 14 years ago I said a lot of shit I know was stupid now. What's more likely? HHH changed his tune on Warrior or saw that he's in a position to make money off of Warrior's legacy now? More likely HHH was a fan of the fucking body builder and back when he wasn't in charge he bashed him like all good employees were told to. So he was being a company guy then, but he wouldn't be a company guy now even though he's almost the head of the company now? I'm confused. It's possible that HHH was always a closet Warrior fan and was honored to get squashed by him all those years ago. I just haven't seen anything that would suggest that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 A company guy who followed instructions to the letter back then. Like I said, Jericho revealed that they were all told to shit on Warrior. HHH being the ultimate company guy complied in a big way. Now HHH is the company. He can publicly say that he really was a fan of the guy, which makes sense. Warrior even joked with him about it during his speech when he said something about guys who barely knew him saying what a jerk he was and said with a smile, "Right, Paul?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efrim Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I honestly could care less about what the WWE does with the Warrior image before or after his death. But the level of hypocrisy, crocodile tears and misplaced sensibility just makes me chuckle. Had he died just before they cut a deal with him, he would have been happy to get a mention on Raw and they probably would have pimped The Self-Destruction again. It's all business. You could NOT care less. Could NOT. Somewhat makes it hard to take the rest of your statement seriously. This one drives me up a wall too. Hate that they're treated as interchangeable by so many people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 The tabloid photo posted earlier reminded me of my mom trying to hide a National Inquirer from the early 90s because it had a cover story claiming to expose the Ultimate Warrior's former career as a gay escort. She thought I'd get mad about it since I was such a huge wrestling fan I must have been a Warrior fan too. I actually thought it was hilarious (I was picturing his pillow talk voice being the same as his insane promos), and when all his political stuff came out later on the first thing I thought of was "I wonder if he doth protest too much". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I honestly could care less about what the WWE does with the Warrior image before or after his death. But the level of hypocrisy, crocodile tears and misplaced sensibility just makes me chuckle. Had he died just before they cut a deal with him, he would have been happy to get a mention on Raw and they probably would have pimped The Self-Destruction again. It's all business. You could NOT care less. Could NOT. Somewhat makes it hard to take the rest of your statement seriously. This one drives me up a wall too. Hate that they're treated as interchangeable by so many people Well, I guess my mistake comes from the fact I've seen/heard a shitload of actual English-speaking people use it that way then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 The tabloid photo posted earlier reminded me of my mom trying to hide a National Inquirer from the early 90s because it had a cover story claiming to expose the Ultimate Warrior's former career as a gay escort. She thought I'd get mad about it since I was such a huge wrestling fan I must have been a Warrior fan too. I actually thought it was hilarious (I was picturing his pillow talk voice being the same as his insane promos), and when all his political stuff came out later on the first thing I thought of was "I wonder if he doth protest too much". OR she thought you might turn gay... haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 And while Bob Holly is absolutely correct in what he saying, welcome to all sports or forms of entertainment. I am sure yesterday a former MLB, NFL, or NBA player died that nobody except their relatives and friends thought about deeply. While it would nice to have at least a one hour special on the network for all former WWE stars that pass away, I just don't see that happening. I won't say one person's life meant more than another, but the fact is, Warrior as a wrestler did mean more to WWE TV programming than Viscera. That can't really be disputed. Also, with Warrior appearing at the HOF, WM, and Raw, he's basically being treated the same way an active talent would. He wasn't on the roster, but he died a day after appearing on a string of shows, so for all intents and purposes, it's more or less the same situation. Active talents who pass away have always gotten more of a tribute than people who haven't been there in years. Obviously, with the Network, they have more time to create specials, etc. now. I think the same thing would have been done for Owen and Eddy if the Network had been around back then. Not to mention, if the WWE HAD pulled out all the same stops for Mabel/Viscera/Big Daddy V, it WOULD have been seen as being empty and the WWE trying to make money off of his passing. Look at it this way, like I said before, you are talking about a character that goes down as one of the most WELL KNOWN pro-wrestling characters by anyone that doesn't follow wrestling, follows it just causually or lapsed in their fandom years ago. Hogan, Savage, Undertaker, Ultimate Warrior. Prior to Stone Cold Steve Austin, THAT WAS IT in terms of your "Mount Rushmore." MAYBE Bruno, and MAYBE in small pockets someone like Hodge, Funk, Lawler, etc, but come on. That is like comparing David Allen Coe to Johnny Cash, Grand Funk Railroad to The Greatful Dead, Conway Twitty (and Twitty inspired a darn musical, Bye Bye Birdie) to Elvis, the Yarbirds to the Beatles, etc. You are putting up someone that is popular amongst a small fanbase to someone that is considered iconic to the larger mass population. So compare that to someone that while yes he was a semi-life long employee who was pretty much treated as a massive monster attraction for most of his career. His lone chance at being any sort of a serious main eventer was soundly rejected by fans and critics, and that part of his career is considered more of a punchline than anything (the only saving grace is that Billy Gunn was tabbed as King of The Ring a few years later, and pretty much blew his chance at a solo push and replaced Mabel as the worse KOR winner ever), and while he did rebound nicely to be the aforementioned massive monster attraction for many years, its not like he was ever known to anyone other than hardcore followers of the profession. So as cold and heartless as it may sound, did his death really require an all out event the way Ultimate Warrior's has been? On the flip side, if they HAD given Warrior the Nelson Frazier treatment (especially without the burying the hatchet process that started with the 2K sports ad), people WOULD be complaining in the sense of "that's ALL they are doing for him?" In the way pro-wrestling enthusiasts complained about the lack of remembrance of Lou Thesz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakla Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 A company guy who followed instructions to the letter back then. Like I said, Jericho revealed that they were all told to shit on Warrior. HHH being the ultimate company guy complied in a big way. Well, sorta. DVD came out in '05, so this wasn't specifically taped for the DVD. If HHH did tape something for the DVD, would it have been different, I assume not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 There was a fascinating tidbit in Dave's Warrior obit. Apparently, the AMA used to claim that steroids didn't aid in muscle growth and that any apparent gains were due to water retention. Given that, I can understand how a lot of bodybuilder types would end up being skeptical of claims of the health risks posed by steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Well, I guess my mistake comes from the fact I've seen/heard a shitload of actual English-speaking people use it that way then. Yeah, pretty much. I don't know when that one got all screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted June 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 I was right, it didn't drag itself on WWE programming or Network. I'll be a little surprised to see if his passing even merits a mention at next years HoF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Okay, so can we say that the Warrior sucked and had a shitty personnality again now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted June 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Yes. God yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Big props to Wade Keller. He never stopped saying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 This was pretty sad news indeed when I first read about it. It was probably the first wrestling death in a long time that really upset me. Im guessing because I grew up watching him since I first watched wrestling which is probably hit me hardest. It was a total shock to see him on Raw and then 24 hours later he had passed away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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