Goodear Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I kind of wonder if the booking of the match itself hurt Owen's ability to draw. To this day, I have heard two theories regarding the finish 1) that Owen countered the victory roll because no one knew Bret better than him or 2) Owen got lucky and just collapsed on top of his brother. I wonder if it had been more obvious that Owen was doing something intentional and moved the finish to something like a low blow or grabbing the ropes, if it would have led to a different outcome regarding the push. One thing about that WrestleMania I also don't like is the banana peal finish to the main event where Yoko just falls off the ropes for no reason. I never got that finish. Booking wise compared to today, I think comparing everything to being "as bad as Daniel Bryan" kind of misses the larger point that nothing is working right now and the entire show is in shambles. I don't think D. Bryan's not being in the main event is even the biggest problem right now looking at the build. Its just this shapeless mess of a card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 The most important thing to remember about the victory roll is that it's how Bret beat Bigelow to win KOTR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Oh no doubt, I always leaned towards it being a counter myself. As an aside, I really love Bret Hart roll up finishes because he is super awesome at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Yeah, the finish to the Mania X main event was the total shits. Watching the show live my first thought was that it would turn out the Undertaker's ghost was behind it or something dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted March 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Bad Booking in WrestleMania History Part 2: Will is joined by Pete (Titans of Wrestling) & Dave Musgrave (Wrestling Culture) to discuss the worst booking decisions in WrestleMania history. We take a look at Mania 16-30 and the matches that should have been booked and the ones we wished we never saw. We also have a heated discussion on the role of the World Title at Mania and compare Daniel Bryan to other past Mania main eventers. http://placetobenation.com/good-will-wrestling-bad-booking-in-wrestlemania-history-part-2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parties Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Not far in but I actually think Bruno was a draw in 86. Didn't they bring him back in to anchor Philly and Boston cards when Hogan wasn't drawing repeat business? Bruno-Piper was a hot program in late '85-early '86. Their cage match in Boston is a totally crazy hybrid: an extremely violent, bloody brawl built around comedy spots, Piper stooging, and Bruno punching Piper in the balls. Bruno was old, but still knew what to do and did it well. Reminiscent of present-day Negro Navarro or Satanico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted March 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 WrestleMania vs. Starrcade Will is joined by Pete & Parv (Titans of Wrestling) and Kris Zellner (Exile on Badstreet) to compare the two flagship shows of the NWA and WWF. We run through the first decade of each show, decide which company had the better show each year and decide the best and worst shows of the bunch. http://placetobenation.com/good-will-wrestling-wrestlemania-vs-starrcade/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketCrypt Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Loving the shows so far. About to dive in to the Starrcade one shortly. I don't know if this is the right place to mention this, but I just finished listening to Will's appearance on the Place to be Nation's The Main Event show, and I don't think I've ever found myself shaking my head in disagreement as much when listening to a podcast. As well as coming across as being genuinely unlikable, the dude who spent the majority of the show at odds with Will appeared to have a completely opposite philosophy on wrestling to myself. Whether it was towing the WWE company line, or just being sucked in by their rhetoric, I got the impression he could easily be on their payroll. I think it was mentioned that he used to be employed by them at one point or another. If it wasn't for a couple of the other guests and the host holding it together, I would have had to tap out after five minutes. I'd be interested to know if anyone else felt a similar way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 It sounds like a member of Sorrow's army was on the Main Event panel. This sounds interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 It sounds like a member of Sorrow's army was on the Main Event panel. This sounds interesting. Yeah, I was going to skip it but it's next on my list now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 A question Parv asked on the show was what was the difference between a Shea Stadium show and Starcade 83? I think the answer is timing. In 83 wrestling was ready for the big shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Loving the shows so far. About to dive in to the Starrcade one shortly. I don't know if this is the right place to mention this, but I just finished listening to Will's appearance on the Place to be Nation's The Main Event show, and I don't think I've ever found myself shaking my head in disagreement as much when listening to a podcast. As well as coming across as being genuinely unlikable, the dude who spent the majority of the show at odds with Will appeared to have a completely opposite philosophy on wrestling to myself. Whether it was towing the WWE company line, or just being sucked in by their rhetoric, I got the impression he could easily be on their payroll. I think it was mentioned that he used to be employed by them at one point or another. If it wasn't for a couple of the other guests and the host holding it together, I would have had to tap out after five minutes. I'd be interested to know if anyone else felt a similar way. The "do you know it's scripted?" question kinda pissed me off. Specially the second time he made that same question. Will didn't care though so that made it a fun listen, good back and forth from two very different mindsets. I kinda wished Dylan was on that panel though, I don't think he would've been able to hold it together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Forgot to mention this, but on the first show, Will's burial of marriage was awesome. "It's not about love". Ha ha ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Enjoying the Starrcade/Mania comparison show - about an hour in so far. Will - your work this week has been exemplary and is very much appreciated. GWW (which has it's own twitter!) is rocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Agree with Brad. I'm loving these shows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 At least one more show I need to send to Chad... a traditional preview with Kris, Pete and Sorrow. Hopefully we can squeeze in the Mr. Wretlemania pod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Forgot to mention this, but on the first show, Will's burial of marriage was awesome. "It's not about love". Ha ha ha. More so now than ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Thanks for all the audio this week Will, great stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Forgot to mention this, but on the first show, Will's burial of marriage was awesome. "It's not about love". Ha ha ha. I was so shocked by that statement I didn't even have a comeback at the time. He kind of has a point, that it's about more than love. However marriage without love seems bizarre to me. Then again, my wife and I have been a sickening in love couple since 2007 so we may be an exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Correction... you have been in love with your wife since 2007. She's over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigelow34 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 That sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I don't agree by the way, I just found the harshness funny. I now have an image of Steven and his wife as Paul and Linda McCartney in knitted sweaters on a farm eating veggie pies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Does that mean Steven will eventually marry a stumpy broad in his old age who takes him for half his loot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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