GOTNW Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 I would not be surprised if you were to find there are 10 or even 20/30 matches you'd consider at that level if you continue watching and don't get bored with it. I probably mentioned that many moons ago when you were talking about the insane stiffness of a Flair/Garvin match or something like that and I said that 2000s abound with way stiffer matches. The Shibata-Ishii 1/4 Wrestle Kingdom match from last year is the ultimate peak of that style so that'd be a good one to check out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Parv should watch some FUTEN or WAR where this style is actually done well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted January 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Katsuyori Shibata vs. Hirooki Goto (6/22/13) Whatever "it" is, Shibata has it. This was a lot more spot heavy and near-fall orientated than the other matches, but still really damn rugged. Goto looks a tiny bit like post-pizza blow out Yatsu. Another really good match but lacking the throughline story that made WK11 match so compelling and the sheer brutality of the Ishii '13 match. **** I have to go to bed, but more than happy to take further recs on Shibata. Matt, I can see Misawa vs Hase is coming up in PWO2K, so will hit that soon. I am jumping on board that 2000 train as soon as I get this Shibata kick out of my system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 And you should watch that. And you should also watch that Shibata/KENTA vs Taue/someone else tag because you'll get a kick out of young Shibata being a little shit to Taue in it. but I want to see you watch that Trevor Lee vs John Skyler match (get the details from Chad). I'm curious what you'll think of the CWF environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InYourCase Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 I have to go to bed, but more than happy to take further recs on Shibata. vs. Tomoaki Honma - 8/3/14 vs. Kota Ibushi - 7/29/15 vs. Tomohiro Ishii - 1/4/16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzombie1988 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 You have to see Shibata's G1 match with Ishii from 8/4/13. It was tied for my MOTY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 A few others -- vs. Ishii 2/11/16 vs. Tanahashi 7/26/14, 9/21/14 & 8/8/15 vs. Evil 8/13/16 vs. Nakamura 8/21/14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted January 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 You have to see Shibata's G1 match with Ishii from 8/4/13. It was tied for my MOTY. Wasn't that the one I just reviewed above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conker8 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 It would be interesting to see if you like his match against Kyle O' Reilly from 10/10/2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 The ultimate irony in Parv discovering God is that Shibata works a shoot style gimmick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShittyLittleBoots Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Shibata vs. Naito from 07/30/16 is a must see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El McKell Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 I have to go to bed, but more than happy to take further recs on Shibata. vs. Tomoaki Honma - 8/3/14 was about to post this match as one to watch but of course case beat me to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 The ultimate irony in Parv discovering God is that Shibata works a shoot style gimmick. Yeah, but aside from the facts he wears black and throws stiff kicks, his matches don't bear much resemblance to shoot style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 The ultimate irony in Parv discovering God is that Shibata works a shoot style gimmick. Yeah, but aside from the facts he wears black and throws stiff kicks, his matches don't bear much resemblance to shoot style. Indeed. It's really shooty-style turned into a pro-style gimmick, wirhout much of teh actual shoot-style stuff. He's not nearly as good as Takada was at this game. (although I like Shibata, he's quite good) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzombie1988 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 You have to see Shibata's G1 match with Ishii from 8/4/13. It was tied for my MOTY. Wasn't that the one I just reviewed above? Yeah but I read it as April 8th instead of August 4th. Month first man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted January 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Ah, that'll me be getting the date from cage match! Bloody Germans. It's taken me years to train myself to put month first for wrestling matches! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 I did a search for Shibata on my google sheet and yielded this: vs Goto (6/22/2013) **** 1/2 (rating system before 1/4) vs Ishii (8/4/2013) **** (rating system before 1/4) vs AJ Styles (7/20/2015) **** (rating system before 1/4) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 OK you really need to watch FUTEN, so much better version of the super stiff style The first match is under 5 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Shibata vs Sakuraba (7/5/15) is the best Shibata match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 It seems like Shibata is in A LOT of repeat match-ups. Fair read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 It seems like Shibata is in A LOT of repeat match-ups. Fair read? Well.. that's a NJPW thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 It seems like Shibata is in A LOT of repeat match-ups. Fair read? Everyone in New Japan is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzombie1988 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 It seems like Shibata is in A LOT of repeat match-ups. Fair read? Seems like he has some issues backstage. We know he doesn't really get along that great with Tanahashi/Nakamura. NJPW seems reluctant to put any real money or trust behind him and they've skipped multiple obvious big matchups. Seems to me to be the reason why he fools around with Goto other lesser NJPW names when he's clearly one of the best in the promotion. Some people have said they are just "saving his big matches for later", but they waited so long that matches like Shibata/Nakamura or Shibata/Ibushi can't even happen now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew wardlaw Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 I'd like to recommend Daisuke Sekimoto vs Shuji Ishikawa, BJW, 3/31/15. Also that Ikeda/Oba vs Hashi/Mashimo match is such a gnarly classic. Just a total exhausting war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 It seems like Shibata is in A LOT of repeat match-ups. Fair read? Yes. Between the G1 year after year (likely responsible for all of the matches referenced in July or August) and who he's generally been programmed with you'll find that quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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