JerryvonKramer Posted November 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Give me some lead in matches for it. I'll happily review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Kikuchi & Kanemaru vs Liger & Inoue, NOAH 2/17/2002 Liger & Tanaka vs Kikuchi & Kanemaru, NOAH 4/7/2002 Liger & Tanaka vs Kikuchi & Kanemaru, New Japan 8/29/2002 Kikuchi & Kanemaru vs Samurai & Naruse, NOAH 9/23/2002 Parv, I believe those are where you need to start. All should be available in the ditch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 What you're looking for are the tags with Liger on one side and Kikuchi on the other from NOAH 2/17/02 and 4/7/02 and New Japan 8/29/02. Great interpromotional heat for the series with Liger especially being a real dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lust Hogan Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I forgot to list the previous tags. Thanks WingedEagle and Childs for providing the list and context! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 You know - I don't think I ever saw Necro v Dragon It's the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 There is also the story of Necro brutalizing two ROH trainees in a Chikara King of Trios and Joe being the big brother looking for revenge. I love this match, but I think Necro v. Ki and Necro v. Super Dragon are even better, Necro is the greatest indy dream match wrestler of all time, they almost always delivered. I was about to mention this. Joe on a previous show cut a very brief, very intense promo about that situation to set the first Necro match up. Joe generally cut this kind of calm and collected "I'm the man" cadence on promos at this time, and here he was just screaming about how Necro was fucking dead for what he had done. It wasn't some lengthy intricate storyline, but I appreciated them going the extra mile to give context for a dream match that could've easily gotten away without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bierschwale Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Homicide-Necro is the best pure spectacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 You know - I don't think I ever saw Necro v Dragon Me either. I need to rectify that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luchaundead Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 You know - I don't think I ever saw Necro v Dragon It's the best Are you talking about the Necro vs Dragon from BOLA 2006? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Yeah, I love that match, fucking insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB8 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 That match is nuts. I thought Dragon broke his femur at one point on a bump across the edge of the stage (I think that was it anyway, it's been a couple year since I watched it), and the double stomp on Necro's face was fucking disgusting. That's one of the nastier things I've ever seen Necro take, and that is a sky high bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luchaundead Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Necro vs Dragon was awesome Necro was painfully underrated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Someone get me that match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luchaundead Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 I don't have my dvd right now but I'll see what I can do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 I'd also love to see it if anyone has it available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 That needs to be out there. Sounds like a match to make my top 100 matches ever list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luchaundead Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Here it is for your consideration http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6wd3eUaHl42xae2SJo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Here it is for your consideration http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6wd3eUaHl42xae2SJo Hot fuck, that fucking ruled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Necro Butcher is one of the 5 scariest dudes ever in wrestling to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luchaundead Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 I remember originally being let down because I expected something more like the Joe match but, having rewatched it really adds a lot to the match that it gets sloppy and out of control it feels more like a fight broke out in a wrestling match instead of an exercise in brutality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Holy fuck is saying it right....that ending sequence is fuckin sick.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 That's the type of match where from an archetypical standpoint, you think of what a match between those guys could be like and they do basically everything you'd think they'd do. Both guys are nuts, both guys lay it in, both guys have inventive and ridiculous spots, both guys know how to make it seem like a fight as opposed to a wrestling match. Just fucking insane. A feather in both guys' caps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bierschwale Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Nothing else to say about Dragon-Necro that hasn't already been said, except that I'm sad that neither of them has ever faced Cena. I don't know why that I have the masochistic desire to see JvK eviscerate one of my favorite-ever matches in the Hardy-'Taker ladder match from '02, but I kind of want him to review it. I'm signing my own warrant here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 I reviewed Necro v. Super D over at Segunda Caida Segunda Caida Also here is the PWO thread for that match, I would love to see Dylan and other folks who watched it comment over there PWO Thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted December 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 AAA When World's Collide (11/6/94) Checking this out after hearing them talk about it on BTS #16. Mike Tenay and Crispy Cruise are our commentators. Mascarita Sagrada and Octagoncito vs. Espectrito and Jerrito Estrada Was tempted to skip this just to wind Grimmas up. 5ft is too tall to be a mini in my view. Not a lot to talk about here. ** Fuerza Guerrera, Madonna's Boyfriend, and Psicosis vs. Rey Mysterio, Jr., Heavy Metal, and Latin Lover Madonna's boyfriend is such a ridiculous gimmick. Also had to laugh when Cruise claimed that this was the most anticipated event in Mexico since the 1986 World Cup. Ha ha. Just a lot of spots and, even with English language commentary, I can't get into stuff like this. Madonna's boyfriend was appropriately goofy. Rey dazzled and it was his show. Very abrupt finish. **1/2 The Pegasus Kid, 2 Cold Scorpio, and Tito Santana vs. Jerry Estrada, La Parka, and Blue Panther I love the route 1 thinking that must have gone into Tito being booked for this show, but from the point of view of the average American fan sitting at home it makes perfect sense from a kayfabe perspective. This felt more of a showcase type match all about the various different pairings. I think perhaps Cruise and Tenay went on about Tito being a potential weak link a bit too much on commentary. I can imagine American fans at the time being excited at some of the Benoit and 2 Cold sequences here. Entertaining, but very disjointed and less than the sum of its parts. *** Octagón and El Hijo del Santo vs. La Pareja del Terror (Art Barr and Eddie Guerrero) To win each fall, they need to pin both partners. So every fall is like a mini-survivor series. I was watching this from a WWE 24/7 upload which kept fast forwarding the action, so I went to find the full thing. So I watched short version 1.5 times and full one once before this review. There was around eight minutes missing from WWE version. Heels take the first fall in short order after a Frankensteiner from the top rope off the shoulders on Santo by Eddie and a frog splash on Octagon by Love Machine. Art Barr and Guerrero are very effective heels jawing at the crowd and so on. I've always loved some of Eddie's standard spots, like the crawling on knees into the eye poke. Second fall also short as babyfaces bounce back after a double dive swings the momentum. But then Santo is eliminated after a straight Frankensteiner by Eddie. Weird, Santo has been made to look super weak in this match so far. Eliminated first switch and now Octagon has had to save his bacon to make it 1-1. Santo goes over and embraces him for the save. I'd have liked the sense of jeopardy to be teased and dwelt on a little bit more. This has been one of my little issues with Lucha stuff seems to happy too quickly and abruptly to digest. And I've watched these first two falls THREE times now. They could afford to linger a little more on the drama. They don't need the John Cena-like pregnant pauses and internal monologues, just slow down a little bit so we can feel the poignancy and sense of danger. It all happens too quickly. Anyway, now moving into the footage fast forwarded by WWE. Barr puts Octagon away with an illegal tombstone piledriver while the ref's back is turned. So it is Santo, two vs. one going into this final fall. Nice contemptuous slap by Barr to show Octagon is out cold. He's stretchered out. Superplex on Santo. Frog splash. Kick out. Santo dive to the outside onto Guerrero. Piledriver by Blue Panther -- who is there as a second for the faces -- on Love Machine. Crowd erupts. It's going to be Eddie vs. Santo one vs. one. Belly to belly from the top by Eddie. Cover gets two. Frankensteiner from the top by Eddie. Cover gets two. Full Nelson suplex by Eddie. Cover gets two. He tried it again but Samto slips into a sunset flip for three to win the match. The storytelling here was layered and compelling. And both of the babyfaces got to be the hero, Octagon in the second fall and Santo in the third. Heels were fantastic on offense, and being general douchebags. This is a very good match, but for my tastes, it all feels a bit rushed. I really would have liked this to go another 10-15 mins to flesh out those first two falls. It all seems a bit truncated for the drama involved. It might seem like a strange gripe, but it's one that stops this being ranked among the all-time classics to me. ****1/2 Perro Aguayo vs. Konnan I honestly thought this was as good as it possibly could have been. Aguayo's juice job here is something, and he is great as a grizzled veteran who is never going to say die here. At least as good as Jose Lothario was in Houston in 1979. They used the cage well. Sufficiently brutal. And worked logically. Double boot stomp from Aguayo was cool. Everything involving him had heft to it. And "lack of heft" is one of my typical Lucha bug bears. Eddie and Madonna's boyfriend run out. Eddie throws Coke in Perro's face, throws Konan a pair of brass knucks. The old man is out. Powerbomb! Oh my god this blood. This is up there for juice jobs. The LA fans are getting restless. Aguayo is absolutely covered in blood. Streaming down his face. Jesus Christ! Kicks by Konan. This goes on for some time. Music hits and Cien Caras and his crew run out to deal with Eddie's shenanigans. Samoan drop by Aguayo. Double boot from the top. He escapes the cage to win. Crowd goes absolutely apeshit and this felt huge. Honestly, even taking in the run ins and all the rest of it, I thought this was awesome. Gets a star for the blood levels alone and the feel good moment of he win. I bet back in the day Meltzer and the smart community rated both the six mans over this. If they did, I disagree. **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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