JerryvonKramer Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 We talk about Taker on the podcast I did with the Hales brothers. Maybe that will shed some light. What did they say? "We're marks"? Sorry, just think he's easily the worst guy in the top 150. HHH is there too I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 I guess a bunch of self-conscious Mania epics plus a bunch of truly awful matches were enough to boost Taker into the top 100. Blah. Happy to be a minority voice with you here. You're not really a minority voice if he makes less than half of the ballots. I don't know too many people who had him in thier lists. I know of a couple. An interesting comparison would be Undertaker vs. Inoki. A shitload of matches.... a shitload of main event protection.... a handful of classics and a ton of crap. That's actually a great comparison, and Inoki was clearly better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Taker is much better than Hogan though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Depends what era. 1982-1987 Hogan is a much better straight run than Taker has ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Undertaker at least has some memorable and "so bad it's good" wrestlecrap. I'd take him over Angle whose lows are just "holy shit how many finisher kickouts are you going to do in this match??" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Well yeah, absolutely. I don't think there's been anyone in 200 picks or so I wouldn't take over Angle, including HHH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 HHH is worse than Angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 HHH knows enough about wrestling to have the Bryan match. Angle would have fucked that up something fierce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Hey, good showing for Piper. Anyone who knocks him can't do so without seeing his Portland run. But that's not the entirety of his case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victory Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Undertaker is a joke? All wrestlers have some crap. Sometimes it was what they were dealt and other times it's on them. One thing I always liked about him is his great character work during those early days. Sure the matches suck for the most part, but he works the gimmick they wanted him to and gets it over. Is he consistent? No not at all. We're also talking about a pretty big guy in terms of stature. Not always easy to do when your that big. When he was motivated and in the right setting he was able to put together some great matches. He deserves to be on the list. 84 is about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Piper lower than Hogan? Damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Ricky Jackson isn't high vote on Piper, minor upset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Also, I am happy to say that i still have 66 soldiers remaining in the final 82 and two guys I didn't vote for (Breaks and Rose), I almost guarantee will be high on my list in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Piper is a favourite of mine that I just couldn't justify including on my list. The guy at his best incarnates pro wrestling. His Portland stuff is blowaway great too. Happy he finished ahead of all the "name" guys from 89-84. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Undertaker is a joke? All wrestlers have some crap. Herein lies the issue. There's some crap and then there's the amount of crap he's had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Ricky Jackson isn't high vote on Piper, minor upset. I would've bet my house that I would be the high voter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 HHH knows enough about wrestling to have the Bryan match. Angle would have fucked that up something fierce. Which makes it even more tragic that he knows better but still has shit matches most of the time anyway. That makes him worse in my eyes. At least Angle is doing what his fans want from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Undertaker is a joke? All wrestlers have some crap. Herein lies the issue. There's some crap and then there's the amount of crap he's had. I forget.. did you leave Mil Mascaras on your list or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 HHH knows enough about wrestling to have the Bryan match. Angle would have fucked that up something fierce. Which makes it even more tragic that he knows better but still has shit matches most of the time anyway. That makes him worse in my eyes. At least Angle is doing what his fans want from him. I don't think Angle keeps the fans in mind. I think he just does the only thing he knows how to do. He's got one gear and it's "moron." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 HHH knows enough about wrestling to have the Bryan match. Angle would have fucked that up something fierce. Which makes it even more tragic that he knows better but still has shit matches most of the time anyway. That makes him worse in my eyes. At least Angle is doing what his fans want from him. I don't think Angle keeps the fans in mind. I think he just does the only thing he knows how to do. He's got one gear and it's "moron." HHH has one gear... asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 The only thing Angle factors in about fans is that they pop when someone does a 2.9 finisher kick-out and thus spent nearly 10 years of his career trying to do that in every single match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 HHH knows enough about wrestling to have the Bryan match. Angle would have fucked that up something fierce. Which makes it even more tragic that he knows better but still has shit matches most of the time anyway. That makes him worse in my eyes. At least Angle is doing what his fans want from him. I don't think Angle keeps the fans in mind. I think he just does the only thing he knows how to do. He's got one gear and it's "moron." HHH has one gear... asshole. Absolutely, and we're heel fans. We'll take self-obsessed asshole over idiot with really great athleticism anyday. We'd just take 500 other people over either of them first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Undertaker is a joke? All wrestlers have some crap. Herein lies the issue. There's some crap and then there's the amount of crap he's had. I forget.. did you leave Mil Mascaras on your list or not? No, I chucked him due to extreme prejudice. Against both crap wrestlers and Mexicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy hats Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Roddy 'The Panther' Piper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Angle is better than HHH because he has more base skills and tools, he just doesn't know how to use them. But he can do more. Angle is better than Taker because Taker is a stiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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