soup23 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Really thought we would get Hogan doing the backsroke at Mania 4 with his rollout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Hogan was so charismatic in the ring that he redefined what a wrestling star could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Â Folks bitch about SO MANY other wrestlers. Yet. Jericho has yet to drop. Â I can sort of accept Kurt Angle and Chris Jericho because for almost two decades they have been considered incredible in ring wrestlers by the majority of the internet wrestling community. I don't agree personally, and nor do many people here, but they either speak to people or people have been conditioned to accept them as wonderful workers. Â Whereas someone like Hogan has been pretty much accepted as a poor toaverage worker from all sides - even the praise tends to focus on his charisma and character and the way his big matches are structured. So it seems far more strange to see him so high. Â Just, you know, two of the most important aspects of being a great pro wrestler. Â Nothing big or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheapshot Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Hogan was so charismatic in the ring that he redefined what a wrestling star could be. Â I am interested to know if he's the most charismatic wrestling star ever in your eyes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckScumm Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Woo hoo, Dynamite made the top 100!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Hogan was so charismatic in the ring that he redefined what a wrestling star could be. Â This isn't the 'Most Influential Wrestler Ever' list though. Elvis Presley redefined what a rock star could be but his albums don't stand up next to Revolver or Blue or Blood On The Tracks or Dark Side Of The Moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Hogan at 75 seems about right. Nostalgic me says Hogan should've placed higher than Cena. The version of me that thinks more clearly says that's nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Â Hogan was so charismatic in the ring that he redefined what a wrestling star could be. Â This isn't the 'Most Influential Wrestler Ever' list though. Elvis Presley redefined what a rock star could be but his albums don't stand up next to Revolver or Blue or Blood On The Tracks or Dark Side Of The Moon. Â Hogan is a better wrestler than Elvis was a musician though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Crazy talk! And I do think influence matters on a list like this. It's not enough to make a case on its own, but it's something I think is an added positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Â Â Folks bitch about SO MANY other wrestlers. Yet. Jericho has yet to drop. Â I can sort of accept Kurt Angle and Chris Jericho because for almost two decades they have been considered incredible in ring wrestlers by the majority of the internet wrestling community. I don't agree personally, and nor do many people here, but they either speak to people or people have been conditioned to accept them as wonderful workers. Â Whereas someone like Hogan has been pretty much accepted as a poor toaverage worker from all sides - even the praise tends to focus on his charisma and character and the way his big matches are structured. So it seems far more strange to see him so high. Â Just, you know, two of the most important aspects of being a great pro wrestler. Â Nothing big or anything. Â Â Possibly, but if you take that train of thought you end up taking drawing power and merchandise sales into consideration. He was mediocre in ring, and for all his charisma there are very few of his feuds, interviews and/or segments that are worth revisiting. His charisma often raised his big matches into something greater than the sum of their parts, true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Hogan mediocre in the ring seems like a silly smark statement from the 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Â Â Hogan was so charismatic in the ring that he redefined what a wrestling star could be. I am interested to know if he's the most charismatic wrestling star ever in your eyes? Second only to Bruno. And it simply comes down to this: Hogan was a super hero, almost a god, who the fans worshipped, whereas Bruno was a working-class hero who the fans could relate to and who they would die for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Â Â Â Folks bitch about SO MANY other wrestlers. Yet. Jericho has yet to drop. Â I can sort of accept Kurt Angle and Chris Jericho because for almost two decades they have been considered incredible in ring wrestlers by the majority of the internet wrestling community. I don't agree personally, and nor do many people here, but they either speak to people or people have been conditioned to accept them as wonderful workers. Â Whereas someone like Hogan has been pretty much accepted as a poor toaverage worker from all sides - even the praise tends to focus on his charisma and character and the way his big matches are structured. So it seems far more strange to see him so high. Â Just, you know, two of the most important aspects of being a great pro wrestler. Â Nothing big or anything. Â Â Possibly, but if you take that train of thought you end up taking drawing power and merchandise sales into consideration. He was mediocre in ring, and for all his charisma there are very few of his feuds, interviews and/or segments that are worth revisiting. His charisma often raised his big matches into something greater than the sum of their parts, true. Â Wait what? No I'm not. Charisma can be an in ring trait, just like athleticism. You can qualitatively judge both of them. Character work is far more important to me than hitting impressive spots cleanly or working really hard or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Woo hoo, Dynamite made the top 100!!! Â Still a huge drop though. He was admittedly ranked way too high in 2006, doesn't have anywhere near the body of work to justify finishing #14. Love his stuff on a personal level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Hogan shook his leg to sell bodyslams. Stop it with the good selling talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Hogan mediocre in the ring seems like a silly smark statement from the 90s. Â Hogan incredible in the ring seems like a silly willfully revisionist super-smark statement from 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Â Hogan mediocre in the ring seems like a silly smark statement from the 90s. Â Hogan incredible in the ring seems like a silly willfully revisionist super-smark statement from 2016. Â He made the 2006 list, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 What Hogan could do better than the vast majority of babyface workers ever was generate sympathy in heel heat segments enough that fans could be genuinely invested for a comeback and finish they mostly knew was coming. Â Lawler will rightly be praised to the moon for that; but Hogan is right there with him for that specific skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKWebb Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Â Â Hogan was so charismatic in the ring that he redefined what a wrestling star could be. This isn't the 'Most Influential Wrestler Ever' list though. Elvis Presley redefined what a rock star could be but his albums don't stand up next to Revolver or Blue or Blood On The Tracks or Dark Side Of The Moon. Wouldn't you include Elvis on a list of 100 Greatest Rock Stars though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Hulkamania could only happen in the Reagan era. After the reality of civil rights, Vietnam and the sexual revolution, people just wanted to be told everything was fine and not to worry for a while. Hogan was transparently phony and insincere, but at least said and did all of the right things, which was all that mattered then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Different strokes about charisma, I guess. I've watched a lot of Hogan footage, and Parv and co. have also made me watch a hell of a lot of Bruno, but to this day, I haven't seen a wrestler connect and get basically claimedd by the audience as their own the way Austin was. Of course, he is my most favourite wrestler ever, so I am obviously biased. Â I am interested in where Austin lands. I thought I was going to be the high vote on him, but then Jingus said Austin was in his top 10, so that is not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danish Dynamite Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Frankly, I prefer the Danish Dynamite. Yes!!!! Matt D for president!!!! Forever!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stomperspc Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 What was Hogan specifically doing to generate more sympathy than Ricky Morton? Than Steamboat? Because he garnered more sympathy doesn't mean he was better at generating it than other top babyfaces. I think Hogan was good in that respect but the reactions he got out was more than what he put in (in the ring at least), Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKWebb Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Different strokes about charisma, I guess. I've watched a lot of Hogan footage, and Parv and co. have also made me watch a hell of a lot of Bruno, but to this day, I haven't seen a wrestler connect and get basically owned by the audience the way Austin was. Of course, he is my most favourite wrestler ever, so I am obviously biased. Â I am interested in where Austin lands. I thought I was going to be the high vote on him, but then Jingus said Austin was in his top 10, so that is not happening. I ranked Austin higher than Hogan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danish Dynamite Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 The GWE YouTube Playlist has been updated again to reflect the new additions.  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoeBY9gVL9d13ytshbXVg_EnCzjHVPUOt   Love this! Thanks to grimmas and everyone for the whole project and grimmas for the reveal. But also thank to cheapshot for this playlist and to woof for the thread with everyone ranked lower than the top 100! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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