Boss Rock Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 I've only just been diving into his work, but I might say El Samurai just for the fact that he's not as celebrated a high flier as his contemporaries. But from what I've seen, he was pretty great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 Sammy was pimped pretty heavily back in the glory days of the NJ junior fandom. To me he's maybe the greatest awkward worker ever this side of Taue. There's a topic for you, great awkward looking workers : Samurai, Angle, Taue. As opposed to great elegant workers (which are less) : Misawa, Windham. Totally agree about the pendulum effect on Kandori BTW. She was very underrated and she became quite overrated at one point. Since classic joshi is not very much talked about (although it's cool to see a younger generation discover it again now), the pages are probably blank now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 Samurai feels underrated to me, but that might be a pendulum thing or a matter of circles. I feel like he isn't praised all that much anymore, but I love me some Sammy. He feels like a great underdog worker who can get the shit beat out of him and fire back about as well as anyone. A buddy of mine once said he was convinced that Zayn modeled some of his hope spots and comebacks after Samurai. Love him. Speaking of pendulums.... i feel like Dynamite is sort of underrated now. He seems like a case of the hype getting out of hand and people going a bit too far in the opposite direction. I see people more or less dismiss him out of hand now and I still thoroughly enjoy his work from when he was in his prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 mind you im going on two things here 1 HOF or not 2 recogntion among casual fans 3 my personalview vs general views [ for this you have take into acoount how i rate] The red Typhoons [ both as team and singles] Inoue Kyoko Hotta Yumiko Bolshoi Kakihara Yatsu Yoshiaki Funaki Dick Togo Tamura Kiyoshi Tanaka Minoru Yamazaki Kazuo Chris Doleman Nakaya Neilsen Dynamite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 Some more underrated: Sid Cooper Shiro Koshinaka Masakatsu Funaki Kaoru Yumiko Hotta Rey Hechicero Tetsuya Naito Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 Some more underrated: Sid Cooper Shiro Koshinaka Masakatsu Funaki Kaoru Yumiko Hotta Rey Hechicero Tetsuya Naito i fully agree with all these minus Naito hes well loved aming western Japanese fans in face book groups and alike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 I need to see more Cooper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 Some more underrated: Sid Cooper Shiro Koshinaka Masakatsu Funaki Kaoru Yumiko Hotta Rey Hechicero Tetsuya Naito i fully agree with all these minus Naito hes well loved aming western Japanese fans in face book groups and alike That's true but he doesn't get too much praise around here (relatively speaking atleast). I think he smokes Tanahashi and beats Okada on inputs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 In terms of presenting character/gimmick through their ring work, Sabu is extremely underrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 While I wouldn't say he's an all-time great, I would argue Jeff Hardy is a tad underrated. He almost reminds me of a poor man's Tenryu if that makes sense. Like, his offense is pretty sloppy and doesn't always look great, but he adds a certain level of excitement and has that intangible you can't quite put your finger on. Only difference is that Jeff's strikes look pretty ineffectual while Tenryu's looked vicious as hell. He's also a very good babyface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 While I wouldn't say he's an all-time great, I would argue Jeff Hardy is a tad underrated. He almost reminds me of a poor man's Tenryu if that makes sense. Like, his offense is pretty sloppy and doesn't always look great, but he adds a certain level of excitement and has that intangible you can't quite put your finger on. Only difference is that Jeff's strikes look pretty ineffectual while Tenryu's looked vicious as hell. He's also a very good babyface. soon you as you say sloppy i say not underrated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 It's more about the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. The reason I made the reference to Tenryu was that some of his offense (like the powerbomb and enziguiri) looked pretty bad but his psychology, intensity, and physical charisma were so great that it didn't matter if they looked bad because they still mattered in the course of the match. There are tons of wrestlers who have great execution but have no heat or psychology behind what they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 I never understood the Tenryu criticism that he was "sloppy" or had "bad looking moves". His enzuigiri always looked like a solid kick to the back of the brain and his powerbomb always get the job done, squishing his opponent and getting him into pin position. He also deserves credit for throwing blatantly worked punches that still make you wonder how real they are. Hardy buried his own career with his escapades, but he does deserve credit for getting mad over. But the headlines of him being a dumpster fire overshadowed any discussion of his workrate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 It certainly works, because he often looked like he was shooting with those strikes, ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 While I wouldn't say he's an all-time great, I would argue Jeff Hardy is a tad underrated. He almost reminds me of a poor man's Tenryu if that makes sense. Like, his offense is pretty sloppy and doesn't always look great, but he adds a certain level of excitement and has that intangible you can't quite put your finger on. Only difference is that Jeff's strikes look pretty ineffectual while Tenryu's looked vicious as hell. He's also a very good babyface. I feel like he is overrated. I have never really been into him, never got it. To me his matches are actively uninteresting and he drags everything he is in down. But that might be just a matter of taste and not connecting. There are a few exceptions of course, but generally speaking I feel like all (or most of) the praise he gets is is overstated based on my take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted April 28, 2018 Report Share Posted April 28, 2018 im taking about fans in facebook fan groups by biggest exposure to fans before here ashura Hara is very underrated yes while he has never the most iconic member of his team/stable i think he was still very good both tag and singles Ogawa Yoshinari this i will never understand people like Yano's stooging but seem to dismiss rat boy Animal Hamaguchi Japan greatest Native born heel Most UWF/UWFi guys Tamura Kiyoshi all The Rings Russians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 29, 2018 Report Share Posted April 29, 2018 Ooh, it's here that I remember how underrated REGGIE BENNETT is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 Super Delfin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 Super Delfin! This is a very good Pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riderman Hongo Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 I think via the lack of released footage the[ footage has been archived by the network] most of the Joint Promotions guys promotions are underrated. As are workers who made their name in the IWE the difference is lack of footage not because of network screwjob, It’is, because want/need footage, that has sadly been lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 Who would be your top 5 or so that you consider the most under rated workers of all time & why? When I thought about this I had these guys off the top of my head: Rick Martel Brad Armstrong Bobby Eaton Chris Adams Terry Taylor 5. Marty Jannetty (HBK/Jannetty Raw May 93) 4. Martel 3. Matt Borne 2. Tatanka 1. Hogan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Hall Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 I found myself watching some late nineties ECW the other day and found myself thinking that Spike Dudley doesn't get enough credit for being a great worker. Massively over in ECW as the ultimate underdog, fearless bump taker and could actually do some fast paced wrestling when it was called upon. Had a decent run in the WWF/E against all odds too when other more 'conventionally' talented wrestlers floundered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 I found myself watching some late nineties ECW the other day and found myself thinking that Spike Dudley doesn't get enough credit for being a great worker. Massively over in ECW as the ultimate underdog, fearless bump taker and could actually do some fast paced wrestling when it was called upon. Had a decent run in the WWF/E against all odds too when other more 'conventionally' talented wrestlers floundered. Gotta have a lot of love for LSD. He was great in ECW and WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachchaos Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 Agreed about Spike Dudley and I think there's even a case for him as the top worker in ECW history. He's certainly the most well-rounded in terms of card placement. Main event, opener, mid-card tag. He can get tossed around by Taz or dive off balconies with New Jack. Put him in a three way dance with Tajiri and Crazy and he looks like a top junior. Ridiculous giant killer or gorilla-press crowd surfer? The list just goes on and on. At the very least he's a Top 5 ECW worker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 It's a shame Spike Dudley will probably never get inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame. I don't know why they didn't do it with the Dudley Boyz like they did for Jimmy Garvin with The Freebirds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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