Bix Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Maybe that was the period where they were on MSG via Prime Network and not a deal with the station itself? I know it got them in trouble with the Sunshine Network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 I thought it was Mikey Whipwreck being caned by The Sandman while Nancy Sullivan faux-orgasmed over the house mic that got them kicked off of Sunshine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 I thought they got kicked off twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 From WO's daily update: We're looking for someone who can do weekly reviews of Jerry Lawler's Memphis Championship Wrestling. Thanks to George Wren for his help, but he's lost his interest in pro wrestling. Hardly enticing is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Definitely referring to the fire incident. The aftermath from that dragged on for years.I was watching ECW regularly but didn't subscribe to the newsletters at the time. I watched that Dreamer/Cactus match several times, and I never knew anything was amiss in that match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Baby Doll: From star attraction to single mom "There was only one time that we had a real falling out, and when we did, he made me feel about two inches tall. You have to imagine, the worst thing that anyone could have possibly asked me was 'What's my husband really like on the road? Is he cheating on me?', but thank goodness, no-one ever did ask that. I knew everything that went on, and I wouldn't have said anything, but I never wanted to be in that position. "But Flair had been seeing a girl, I think she was Miss Nebraska, and was flying her all over and buying her all these beautiful dresses. One day at TV he cornered me and started screaming at me for about 20 minutes, about how dare I tell his wife, Beth, about his life on the road, how dare I let other people know about our business, and how dare I not be one of the boys. "Everyone was looking at me wondering what I was going to say, but I just kept quiet and tried my best not to cry. A couple of days later he came up to me and apologized, because he found out that it was his Mom that had spoken to Beth, and had told her that something serious was going on that she might need to take care of. I never did say anything, and the only reason I'm telling you is because it's 25 years later, and they aren't married anymore. Marriage is the one normal thing that Flair tries to do, but he sucks at it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 How much truth is there in Heyman's story that the Beulah/Kimona kiss got ECW kicked off every station it was on? In WWE's ECW book he says that MSG network didn't let them back on for six months, but I was watching ECW on MSG back then, and it was definitely on that entire time. Doesn't it seem surreal that two girls kissing each other actually got them kicked out of TV ? I mean.... It is to me at least. Blood, people smashing themselves with chairs and canes, ultra-violence is ok as a TV shows, but two girls kissing each other got them kicked out of TV ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Considering what's acceptable on TV in 2010, yes it does seem odd. But probably not odd for 1996. People always used to talk about how Roseanne pushed the envelope for what was acceptable on prime time TV, when you watch reruns of it now, it'd downright tame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Love the Baby Doll quote. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Considering what's acceptable on TV in 2010, yes it does seem odd. But probably not odd for 1996. People always used to talk about how Roseanne pushed the envelope for what was acceptable on prime time TV, when you watch reruns of it now, it'd downright tame. Yes, of course. I guess I'm too European too. I admit I was totally baffled by the Janet Jackson nipple scandal at the Superbowl a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Janet Jackson was a combination of so many things: 1.) War in Iraq being such a disaster that the news outlets needed something to cover to divert attention 2.) Election year 3.) Super Bowl being the highest rated TV event most years Not that anyone saw the actual slip unless they had TIVO (which was in its infancy in 2004 in terms of how DVR's are the norm now) The censorship that started with the Bush administration and still continues today sucks. The FCC's abuse of power in TV and radio, when all they are suppose to do is regulate frequencies and make sure that one media outlet doesn't get too powerful turned into a debate on "what is right to air on radio/TV" If anyone listened to the old syndicated version of Don and Mike in the 90's and followed them into the 2000's, the contrast in what was "decent" and acceptable was enormous when Bush took office. End of rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 For much of the '90s, MTV was the only outlet with any willingness to show same-sex kisses without blurring them (something that was common elsewhere), usually on The Real World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Janet Jackson was a combination of so many things: 1.) War in Iraq being such a disaster that the news outlets needed something to cover to divert attention The fact that a woman's tit could divert the media attention from a war is what baffles me. Plus if I remember correctly, she had a patch covering her tit anyway, didn't she ? The fact that a boob could become a "scandal" just is beyond my comprehension. I remember Jim Harrisson saying this about America "You can show a woman can killed by getting shot in the breasts, but you can't show her tits." The censorship that started with the Bush administration and still continues today sucks. The FCC's abuse of power in TV and radio, when all they are suppose to do is regulate frequencies and make sure that one media outlet doesn't get too powerful turned into a debate on "what is right to air on radio/TV" If anyone listened to the old syndicated version of Don and Mike in the 90's and followed them into the 2000's, the contrast in what was "decent" and acceptable was enormous when Bush took office. And it has got worse in Europe too. It is turning ugly now in France like it id in the US with Bush in the early 00's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Evil Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Considering what's acceptable on TV in 2010, yes it does seem odd. But probably not odd for 1996. People always used to talk about how Roseanne pushed the envelope for what was acceptable on prime time TV, when you watch reruns of it now, it'd downright tame. Yeah, this was pretty risque back in 1996. I honostly can maybe only think of one instance on Canadain Tv before 1996 (and that might've been after) where I saw a lesbian kiss and that was on the news. They were hot though! Ellen when she came out as lesbian on her TV show was big news. I remember the Sailor Moon show having to change the gender of one of the main villans because of the worries over showing two lesbians kissing. In a way, I liked it like that. It made you appreciate an erotic lesbian kiss a lot more than today where it's now so easy to find whatever you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Do you have any tips on picking up lesbian women? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 I remember the lesbian kiss airing with a big red X covering the action. I don't know if it aired like that everywhere, but it did in my area. It always amused me how ECW handled language. The MSG show never censored crowd chants as long as I was watching (mid-'95 to early '97). I guess one person saying "shut the fuck up" is bad, but a thousand saying it is OK? It was also OK if it wasn't said over the crowd mic, because I distinctly remember a Scorpio-Sabu match where 2 Cold yelled out "SABU IS SHIT," and one gentlemen in the crowd retorted "FUCK YOU SCORPIO," totally uncensored. I also remember them leaving "nigga" intact in certain rap songs played during Hype Central. Yet they bleeped out Pillman saying that a mark spends his last $20 on crack cocaine, which I thought was a pretty tame line by ECW standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 I think Janet was a result of a lot more than the three items, which I think Tim would agree. The Anti-Titty & Sex Brigade in the country, much like their very close overlapping cousins in the right wing noise machine, have an amazing ability to gin up media heat when they throw a hissy fit. It's not like Karl Rove was sitting in the basement seeing this was something great to divert attention from. The noise started almost *instantly*, and in modern media it was the hot story that night. Lots of folks hitched their cart to it because it's an easy one to get the Family Values crowd all worked up. It's pretty sad that a breast, and not much of it flashed and for a very short time, can drive a chunk of the country batshit and bring a lot of people to their knees. Exactly how much of the audience hadn't seen a breast in their life? 0.1%? We're a really fucked up country. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 LOL at Jim Cornette on Figure Four Daily for saying "we never lied to the fans" in SMW when he did a Morton's hair vs. Tammy's hair match, which Morton lost, yet he didn't get his head shaved and instead Candido's hair was shaved instead, a bait and switch finish which failed to get over with the live crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 back to ECW on MSG. Didn't Hardcore TV stop airing on MSG in January 1998? I remember being disappointed I could no longer watch it but from reading online I probably wouldn't have liked much of it anyway hell in High School I used to say up till 2 AM to watch it (when it switched to PRIME IIRC) on Sunday Night/early Monday morning when I had to get up for school at 7 (they switched to Friday night/early Saturday sometime in 97) and why were they thrown off MSG? How much truth is there in Heyman's story that the Beulah/Kimona kiss got ECW kicked off every station it was on? In WWE's ECW book he says that MSG network didn't let them back on for six months, but I was watching ECW on MSG back then, and it was definitely on that entire time. yep bullshit from Heyman and WWE. It aired well well after the kiss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 I remember a Hardcore TV episode, shortly after Raven came back in '99, dedicated to the Dreamer/Raven history, and Styles mentioning that Beulah's baby being Tommy's got them kicked off a few TV stations. Right after Beulah got out "It's Tommy's" they cut right to commercial and came back with Tommy kicking Raven's ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Am I alone in thinking the "It's Tommy's" angle is up there with the worst of Russo? Dreamer and Beulah get together with no explanation as to why (after he has spent the past nine months beating her up at every turn), then she lies to him about being pregnant, cheats on him with a woman, and then he finds out that he's not going to be a father (something that theoretically would be devastating for your average guy) he's upset for like three minutes and then he's all FUCK YEAH LESBIAN TRIPLE KISS BWAAAAAAAAAAAA making him look like the dumbest meathead on the planet. I know it's just wrestling but if Russo had booked that people would still complain about it today and it certainly belies Heyman's "master booker" reputation. I guess throwing logic out the window is a small price to pay in the mad pursuit of the highly lucrative bisexual wrestling fan demographic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Am I alone in thinking the "It's Tommy's" angle is up there with the worst of Russo? Dreamer and Beulah get together with no explanation as to why (after he has spent the past nine months beating her up at every turn), then she lies to him about being pregnant, cheats on him with a woman, and then he finds out that he's not going to be a father (something that theoretically would be devastating for your average guy) he's upset for like three minutes and then he's all FUCK YEAH LESBIAN TRIPLE KISS BWAAAAAAAAAAAA making him look like the dumbest meathead on the planet. I know it's just wrestling but if Russo had booked that people would still complain about it today and it certainly belies Heyman's "master booker" reputation. I guess throwing logic out the window is a small price to pay in the mad pursuit of the highly lucrative bisexual wrestling fan demographic. Rewatching the whole thing for the SC ECW poll, I agree it didn't made any sense. Shane Douglas unveiling his big surprise to confuse Raven, that Beulah was cheating on him with Kimona as well as with Dreamer. Then in an interview a few weeks later, I beleive Raven says that he knew about Kimona sleeping with Beulah, that's why he brought her to ECW to begin with... Yeah, poor storytelling here. Especially since Kimona just vanished without any angle or explanation. To be honest, I thought Tommy Dreamer was really a poor babyface, and that the whole feud was fun only because of Raven and Stevie's antics, and the fact that Tommy never could pin Raven. But I thought Raven vs Sandman was a much better feud. And Sandman vs Dreamer, complete with the caning angle, really made Tommy more than anything that happened during the Raven feud. Dreamer was only a good face for ECW fans because he was one of them, a mark for "E-C-W" and showing he was "hardcore", while Sandman and Raven were pretty strong characters. That said, I can understand the logic of Tommy consoling himself of not being a father and being cheated on by fucking both girls... Well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 IIRC didn't Tommy piledrive or DDT her like 2 weeks on TV before she announced her pregancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 IIRC didn't Tommy piledrive or DDT her like 2 weeks on TV before she announced her pregancy Hum... Probably. Can't remember the specific timeline though. Face Tommy piledriving his former girlfriend from summer camp just because she interfered with his matches with Raven didn't made much sense to me either, although I wouldn't blame ECW for face violence against women in wrestling. Wasn't Hogan doing nasty stuff on Sherri in WCW back in 94 ? Not as bad as a piledriver, but still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 I was wrong, it was one week before. 1/9 Hardcore TV # Taz vs. Nakagawa # Bruiser Mastino vs. El Puerto Ricano # 911/Taz Segment, Buh Buh Ray Dudley/Blue Meanie/Stevie Richards Segment # Tommy Dreamer vs. Raven # Various Interviews- Includes the return of Shane Douglas. 1/16 Hardcore TV # Joey Styles/Bill Alfonzo/Taz/911/Eliminators Segment # 911 and Rey Mysterio vs. Eliminators # Buh Buh Ray Dudley vs. Jimmy Del Ray- Shane Douglas comes out. # 2 Cold Scorpio vs. Mikey Whipwreck # Stevie Richards/Beulah/Raven/Tommy Dreamer Segment/Brawl- Beulah is having Tommy Dreamer’s kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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