Ridiculous quotes from WO.com columnists

[rovert]

Off the charts WTFness throughout:

http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-sto...of-chris-kanyon

 

Staggeringly lack of self awareness in things like:

 

Upon reflection, I’m more certain now that whatever was affecting Chris Klucsarits – it could have been the manic-depression, could have been the steroids, could have been the concussions, or the overriding fear, or likely the rejection at the end of his career – it showed itself more in the jumbled thought processes and the inability to see what was often painfully obvious to the reader.

[Bix]

Well, it's not like it's surprising:

 

http://www.f4wonline.com/index2.php?option...op=1&page=0

 

"If you love man on man, man on animal, animal on animal, undead on faux Egyptian, various interspecies conflicts, and to be honest, the ring announcer does provide the litany of abnormalcy one can expect at the shows, then this is the product to warm your heart."

 

But it's still probably the most offensive thing ever on any iteration of that site (not counting Dave accidentally outing someone).

[Ricky Jackson]

He has such an awkward writing style. So hard to read. More power to him if he is getting paid to write about wrestling, but God I hope not.

[FLIK]

(not counting Dave accidentally outing someone).

What's the story on that?

[Loss]

Yeah, I was floored that this made it on the site. As I've gotten older, I've developed a pretty high threshold for things I consider offensive, but that was pretty startlingly offensive.

 

It's still poorly written too.

 

More than anything, this shows that it's incredibly unwise for Dave to post stuff to the web site without reading it. I'm assuming he didn't. If he did and saw nothing wrong with it, that's even worse.

[Bix]

(not counting Dave accidentally outing someone).

What's the story on that?

 

An indy promoter (who I won't name for obvious reasons) wrote an email to Dave during the aftermath of the RF bust. In the course of it the email, he went off on a weird tangent about liking younger guys...and also mentioned that his parents (may have been his whole family but I think it was just his parents) didn't know he was gay even though people within wrestling did. It was clearly supposed to be a private email to Dave but he posted it as a column before pulling it a few hours later. Something similar happened with an email from Lance Storm about how awful Ken Anderson is (big difference in content, though...) a year or two back.

[FLIK]

Off the charts WTFness throughout:

http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-sto...of-chris-kanyon

 

Staggeringly lack of self awareness in things like:

 

Upon reflection, I’m more certain now that whatever was affecting Chris Klucsarits – it could have been the manic-depression, could have been the steroids, could have been the concussions, or the overriding fear, or likely the rejection at the end of his career – it showed itself more in the jumbled thought processes and the inability to see what was often painfully obvious to the reader.

K, i'm going to have to play dumb on this one.

 

I forced my way through that mind numbing column and couldn't make heads or tails of what Babinsack's point was about anything.

Could someone translate what he said into something more easy to understand or atleast the bolded part above cause it went over my head.

[Loss]

Well, the biggest issue was the constant references to Kanyon's "lifestyle" tormenting him. What exactly was his lifestyle? To be a pro wrestler? Kanyon was gay, but nothing about his "lifestyle" was gay. He also mentioned that the book seemed to be written for "two audiences" that can't be reconciled, and he doesn't live Kanyon's lifestyle so he can't understand his torment.

 

I don't expect Dave or the writers on his site to take positions in favor of gay issues. It's a wrestling/MMA news site. At the same time, I don't expect Dave or the writers on his site to take positions opposing gay issues either. People are allowed to be ignorant. I just think it reflects really poorly on Dave when something like this makes it to the main site without being caught.

[kjh]

This is probably the most offensive line in the whole piece:

 

What the WWE did with him in the ring wasn’t pretty, and wasn’t fair, but everything Kanyon writes about shows that he should have expected it. He knew the penchant for humiliation and he knew that he set himself up for it.

How exactly did Kanyon "set himself up" to be humiliated by having his sexuality mocked with the Boy George angle and be bashed in the head with an unprotected steel chair shot? By being a WWE performer? By being gay? By hiding his sexuality? Is Babinsack trying to say that Kanyon was silly to get so affected by a punishment angle to the point that he attempted suicide, because he should have saw it coming and had somehow "set himself up" for it? It's offensive to put part of the blame on the victim for workplace bullying.

[Matt D]

Meltz on Henry/Show: " "The two had about as good a big man's match as you're going to have."

[Log]

Upon reflection, I’m more certain now that whatever was affecting Chris Klucsarits – it could have been the manic-depression, could have been the steroids, could have been the concussions, or the overriding fear, or likely the rejection at the end of his career – it showed itself more in the jumbled thought processes and the inability to see what was often painfully obvious to the reader.

 

I've read this like 100 times and still can't make out what he's saying. Is it basically, "Kanyon should have known better than to be gay and work for WWE?"

[S.L.L.]

This is probably the most offensive line in the whole piece:

 

What the WWE did with him in the ring wasn’t pretty, and wasn’t fair, but everything Kanyon writes about shows that he should have expected it. He knew the penchant for humiliation and he knew that he set himself up for it.

How exactly did Kanyon "set himself up" to be humiliated by having his sexuality mocked with the Boy George angle and be bashed in the head with an unprotected steel chair shot? By being a WWE performer? By being gay? By hiding his sexuality? Is Babinsack trying to say that Kanyon was silly to get so affected by a punishment angle to the point that he attempted suicide, because he should have saw it coming and had somehow "set himself up" for it? It's offensive to put part of the blame on the victim for workplace bullying.

 

Babbysack is a guy who openly mocked the scientific method in defense of creationism. Not to put everyone with right-wing political views in the same bucket, but it's not exactly surprising that a guy with pre-17th century scientific and religious views also has pre-17th century social views. Disgusting, yes, but not surprising.

[Bix]

I got my copy of the Kanyon book from ECW Press and have skimmed through it. If it wasn't obvious reading the review and knowing his history, it's really obvious that Babinsack had issues with the book because of all of the stories Kanyon tells about gay bars, hooking up, witnessing a bondage threesome when he bowed out of a sexual encounter when a woman joined in, being asked by his parents if he's a pitcher or a catcher, etc.

 

Also what I've read so far has been excellent aside from the usual stupid ghostwriter mistakes Babinsack harped on.

[kjh]

If it wasn't obvious reading the review and knowing his history, it's really obvious that Babinsack had issues with the book because of all of the stories Kanyon tells about gay bars, hooking up, witnessing a bondage threesome when he bowed out of a sexual encounter when a woman joined in, being asked by his parents if he's a pitcher or a catcher, etc.

Really quite tame to what a lot of wrestlers got up to.

[soup23]

I must say I am surprised at how many people are trying to get Bryan Alvarez to trend on twitter. Really showed me how many subscribers and fans of his stay outside of the other wrestling sites I visit (here, DVDVR) since while most of the opinion here on Alvarez ranges from ok to bad, I doubt many people would go out of there way to clog up their twitter feeds to promote his name.

[FLIK]

Over at the F4W board the backlash against Gabe for daring to be pissed at the ppl who're pirating his shows is pretty hilarious.

[rovert]

Over at the F4W board the backlash against Gabe for daring to be pissed at the ppl who're pirating his shows is pretty hilarious.

Not really

[FLIK]

Not really

Gabe goes into a detailed explanation about how pirating is hurting the business with specific examples of how it's caused them not to be able to run as many shows, pay the wrestlers as much, afford better buildings, etc..

 

Board response = Gabe's a bitter cry baby, boo hoo.

 

Pretty hilarious to me

 

Not going to pretend I don't pirate stuff too (not Evolve/DG since not a big fan but I DL lots of things in general) but i'm not delusional enough to not be able to see things from the other side as well.

[rovert]

Not really

Gabe goes into a detailed explanation about how pirating is hurting the business with specific examples of how it's caused them not to be able to run as many shows, pay the wrestlers as much, afford better buildings, etc..

 

Board response = Gabe's a bitter cry baby, boo hoo.

 

Pretty hilarious to me

 

Not going to pretend I don't pirate stuff too (not Evolve/DG since not a big fan but I DL lots of things in general) but i'm not delusional enough to not be able to see things from the othuper side as well.

 

Look at the reasons people are giving DGUSA has had major booking, marketing and distribution issues. Gabe has owned to all these issues, mostly in other interviews. They are valid criticisms. Your initial post was fairly simplistic about the situation.

 

For those who dont know Gabe is stuck in a real catch 22 situation with internet piracy as he pays relatively significant amount of money to get links taken down but on the other hand by taking down he kills most of the online buzz about his promotions. A very 2011 problem.

[Bix]

Not really

Gabe goes into a detailed explanation about how pirating is hurting the business with specific examples of how it's caused them not to be able to run as many shows, pay the wrestlers as much, afford better buildings, etc..

 

Board response = Gabe's a bitter cry baby, boo hoo.

 

Pretty hilarious to me

 

Not going to pretend I don't pirate stuff too (not Evolve/DG since not a big fan but I DL lots of things in general) but i'm not delusional enough to not be able to see things from the othuper side as well.

 

Look at the reasons people are giving DGUSA has had major booking, marketing and distribution issues. Gabe has owned to all these issues, mostly in other interviews. They are valid criticisms. Your initial post was fairly simplistic about the situation.

Then there's the whole issue of how he wouldn't have had a job in wrestling after ECW closed if not for piracy. Someone IMed me the post he made there as a reply to people pointing out his hypocrisy and wow, does he have a lot of chutzpah:

 

I'll be more than happy to answer any of your questions here.

 

As far as the RF Video thing, I wasn't an RF Video employee until 2001, besides taping the ECW fan cam for them. I never made money off selling bootlegs. I'm not about to defend RF Video, but that company has put over seven figures in the pockets of wrestlers and promotions for almost two decades, including struggling indy wrestlers and promotions. It has been a legit, non-bootleg company for over a decade. It started a promotion called Ring Of Honor. When ECW checks were bouncing the undercard talent was getting paid out of the cash from the RF Video table. If anyone pirating free links all over the internet does all that I'll take back everything I said about pirates.

 

Trying to paint me as a hypocrite cause I traded some All Japan tapes in 1993 and comparing it to what is happening now is really stretching things beyond any reason.

 

I do thank all of you for listening to the show.

RF Video was sued by Dream Stage Entertainment in 2002 for selling Pride dubs. They were selling other bootlegs at that point. That's after Gabe became a full-time RF Video employee and within the last decade. Even if he was telling the complete truth, ROH wouldn't exist without RF's bootlegging.

 

He's a hypocrite who's distorting the fact that he owes his livelihood to a bootlegging business. Otherwise he would just be some guy who worked in the ECW office and got screwed by Heyman's ridiculous financial bullshit.

[KrisZ]

Yeah him whining about piracy after working for RF all those years is hilarious.

[FLIK]

He's a hypocrite who's distorting the fact that he owes his livelihood to a bootlegging business.

So because 10 years ago he joined a company that bootleged videos which he hasn't worked for in 7 years that means he should be ok with pirating now in 2011 and beyond?

 

Look at the reasons people are giving DGUSA has had major booking, marketing and distribution issues. Gabe has owned to all these issues, mostly in other interviews. They are valid criticisms. Your initial post was fairly simplistic about the situation

True that there are a number of things that could be done better. I don't even like Evolve enough to watch it for free but that's besides the point. I'm not a fan of the magician defense, the let's talk about all these other things to distract from the main issue. Pirating is the subject that came up on the radio show, pirating is what sparked the conversation in the thread about the show, bringing up "Gabe could advertise better" isn't a good defense of pirating NOT being harmful to his company.

 

as he pays relatively significant amount of money to get links taken down but on the other hand by taking down he kills most of the online buzz about his promotions. A very 2011 problem.

Which is funny because I still know a ton of places I could easily find dl links to his stuff so it's not working anyways. I checked a torrent site earlier today to see what Evolve was up and I saw 6 or 7 shows that combined had a few thousand downloads. Even if a majority of the people getting them wouldn't buy otherwise (which is a pop argument) it's not 100% and if only a small fraction of those ppl bought instead it would amount to a significant amt of money for a smaller company like this. The "doesn't this idiot know we're HELPING him" defense is something i've seen the people who actually post the stuff cry about when getting caught and I always thought it was pretty silly. Like they legit think they're doing Gabe a favor and he should be grateful.

[Victator]

So because 10 years ago he joined a company that bootleged videos which he hasn't worked for in 7 years that means he should be ok with pirating now in 2011 and beyond?

It means he should shut up about it. He has made more money from piracy than every uploader on PWT combined.

[Ditch]

To me there are degrees of piracy. PRIDE actually wanted to make money in the US and invested thusly. All Japan never did and never will. Selling PRIDE shows, which were readily available from PRIDE legally, was not cool. Selling All Japan hurt nobody. RF did a lot of both, and Gabe is trying to wave it off by just referencing the latter.

 

I'll probably be interviewing Gabe later in the month. I'll... probably not bring the issue up since I doubt he'd give a different answer.

[Sean Liska]

So because 10 years ago he joined a company that bootleged videos which he hasn't worked for in 7 years that means he should be ok with pirating now in 2011 and beyond?

It means he should shut up about it. He has made more money from piracy than every uploader on PWT combined.

 

It's not just Gabe that gets screwed over when everyone steals their stuff. The indy workers not making any money to begin with aren't benefiting from everybody being too cheap to pay to support their efforts.