WWE Hall of *bell tolls* Fame 2022

[sek69]

18 minutes ago, Johnny Sorrow said:

So, Texas just did another Texas that's just making Owens the babyface in this build up. JBL has been " feuding" with Owens on Twitter. I'd laugh my ass off if it ends up being Owens and Bradshaw cause Austin bows out. 

I could easily see this happening (the Austin bowing out part at least) if Texas keeps Texas-ing. He seems like a dude who wouldn't want to be seen as defending that kind of shit, plus he's been one of the rare folks in wrestling who really didn't want to come back and do an old man match to damage his legacy.

Counterpoint: Vince assuredly knows all this and probably offered him the biggest payday he's ever offered to make it happen. 

[Alucard]

On 2/25/2022 at 7:47 PM, Brandon-E said:

If Sycho Sid Vicious goes in the HOF, who should induct him?

Shawn would be my guess. Him and Luger have long been my top picks for it. Sid having main evented Mania with Taker would make a good fit for this year.

On 2/26/2022 at 11:29 AM, NintendoLogic said:

Maybe some GWF alumni could fit the bill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_Global_Wrestling_Federation_personnel

Skandor Akbar would be a good pick for the legacy wing, but I don't know beyond that. The main guys I associate with the GWF are Jerry Lynn and Sean Waltman, but Lynn works for AEW and inducting Waltman for the third time seems like overkill.

It would never happen, but Perry "Action" Jackson would be my pick from the GWF list since he and Taker have history, broke in around the same time and Taker's mentioned they are still friends today.

[Brandon-E]

Shawn is the only person I can see becoming a three time inductee but at the same time I'm not sure if we'll ever see The Rockers go in.

[Coffey]

I could definitely see Triple H & Ric Flair both being 3x inductees. They're both two-time already. Ric Flair with the IV Horsemen & solo & Triple H solo & with DeGeneration-X. All they would have to do is induct Evolution as a stable, which I certainly wouldn't put it passed WWE doing, since all four of them were main eventers. Plus anytime they can get someone that moved on from WWE to other things, like Batista, to come back & make an appearance, they seem to jump at the opportunity.

I guess it could be argued that Evolution did turn both Randy Orton & Batista into bonafide main eventers. They were all world champions & Flair got a tag title run from the stable. The HHH/Batista feud was memorable, I reckon. At least the Batista turning babyface part. 

Not like WWE needs to really justify the criteria for their own Hall of Fame anyway, I reckon, but I'm sure they could justify the important of Evolution with some video packages & typical WWE hoopla. 

Now, with the apparent falling out of HHH with Vince (and HHH recent health), Ric Flair always being in the news for bad reason (like helicopter dick) or Batista just saying "no thanks" - I could see those reasons being an issue.

[MoS]

15 hours ago, sek69 said:

I could easily see this happening (the Austin bowing out part at least) if Texas keeps Texas-ing. He seems like a dude who wouldn't want to be seen as defending that kind of shit

Austin is my all-time favourite wrestler, I have 15 shirts of him, I got him to wish my mom a happy birthday, but why do we think he is actually against some of the transphobic stuff we are seeing from Texas? Like, he once retweeted Ben Shapiro making a dumb joke about there being more than two genders. It is what it is. 

26 minutes ago, Coffey said:

I could definitely see Triple H & Ric Flair both being 3x inductees. They're both two-time already. Ric Flair with the IV Horsemen & solo & Triple H solo & with DeGeneration-X. All they would have to do is induct Evolution as a stable, which I certainly wouldn't put it passed WWE doing, since all four of them were main eventers. Plus anytime they can get someone that moved on from WWE to other things, like Batista, to come back & make an appearance, they seem to jump at the opportunity.

I guess it could be argued that Evolution did turn both Randy Orton & Batista into bonafide main eventers. They were all world champions & Flair got a tag title run from the stable. The HHH/Batista feud was memorable, I reckon. At least the Batista turning babyface part. 

Not like WWE needs to really justify the criteria for their own Hall of Fame anyway, I reckon, but I'm sure they could justify the important of Evolution with some video packages & typical WWE hoopla. 

Now, with the apparent falling out of HHH with Vince (and HHH recent health), Ric Flair always being in the news for bad reason (like helicopter dick) or Batista just saying "no thanks" - I could see those reasons being an issue.

It would be hilarious if an actual wrestling battle made Hunter lose a fake wrestling honour and at the risk of me being a terrible person, I would laugh so hard at that. 

[El-P]

Ok, what's happening in Texas lately, because I don't get the refs being made about it ? Kinda busy with not one, not two, but three extreme-right candidates for the most depressing Presidential election ever incoming in two months, plus war in Ukraine woohoo such a fun time.

(I know, PWO, but I admit the refs of Kevin Owens being loved for being anti-Texas flew right over my head)

[Coffey]

8 minutes ago, El-P said:

Ok, what's happening in Texas lately, because I don't get the refs being made about it ? Kinda busy with not one, not two, but three extreme-right candidates for the most depressing Presidential election ever incoming in two months, plus war in Ukraine woohoo such a fun time.

They're trying to basically make laws against trans children/teens & wanting to investigate the parents & penalize health professionals. Making medical treatments a form of child abuse. There's a lot more to it & that's just a quick, rough gist of it but it's very fucked up.

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/latest-texas-anti-transgender-directive-explained/

[El-P]

10 minutes ago, Coffey said:

They're trying to basically make laws against trans children/teens & wanting to investigate the parents & penalize health professionals. Making medical treatments a form of child abuse. There's a lot more to it & that's just a quick, rough gist of it but it's very fucked up.

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/latest-texas-anti-transgender-directive-explained/

Thanks.

Wow. Texas indeed...  

[sek69]

39 minutes ago, MoS said:

Austin is my all-time favourite wrestler, I have 15 shirts of him, I got him to wish my mom a happy birthday, but why do we think he is actually against some of the transphobic stuff we are seeing from Texas? Like, he once retweeted Ben Shapiro making a dumb joke about there being more than two genders. It is what it is. 

He was pretty vocal about being pro gay marriage, so that makes me think he may not be down with this latest round of Texas-ing.  I could be wrong of course,

[Jesse Ewiak]

4 hours ago, sek69 said:

He was pretty vocal about being pro gay marriage, so that makes me think he may not be down with this latest round of Texas-ing.  I could be wrong of course,

I can totally see as Austin being like the median voter - fine with trans people and agaisnt w/ Texas is doing, but also OK with a dumb 89 genders joke. Most normies who aren't politically involved mostly have conflicting and hypocritical stances on things. 

[ragemaster]

3 hours ago, Coffey said:

They're trying to basically make laws against trans children/teens & wanting to investigate the parents & penalize health professionals. Making medical treatments a form of child abuse. There's a lot more to it & that's just a quick, rough gist of it but it's very fucked up.

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/latest-texas-anti-transgender-directive-explained/

This is a big debate, but I do think meds and ops for kids under 18 should be band, as I feel trans needs more understanding. Absolutely Trans shouldn't be disseminated against and should have support love and understanding.

Yes I do understand that if your a 30 year-old pre op trans person who just going under the treatment, your thought prosses is if I had this a 9 year old before puberty I would have a better out come from the treatment and a happier life.  

But I do worry with kids being oversexualised with porn on the internet, plus the entitled mindset this generation, of I want it now. 

Don't forget Self-harm never used to be a big thing for kids and then it became for some, a form of expression and a way to stand out. Not saying all-self harm was a fashion, but for some kids it was a way to be cool and stand out.

Think Trans needs to be looked at more as a mental issue's for kids coming to terms with there sexuality before treatments with meds and ops are offered to them. As for every person for whom it is their right chose, I'm guessing there are others who are just confused for who they are and just need some time to find themselves.

I'm not saying Trans is a mental issue like bulimia, but not sure kids have the right understanding at that age to make a choice with will be hard to come back from. 

Don't forget Suicide numbers are depressingly high in post op Transgenders.

It doesn't help that Texas/America seems to be coming at this issue from  homophobia and religious grounds. Not from a welfare for the kids themselves and any understanding to try and help them.

But this far left view that Trans should be able to be allowed to play in there competitive sports, or even not disclose their born sex in a relationship's is a worrying trend.

As we seen in MMA it hasn't gone well and just seems like a unfair advantage and makes a mockery for the other sports people in those events. 

I want everyone to be happy in their life and I will address you as a man or a woman or maybe just your name if it helps you live your life and feel good with your your mental wellbeing. I do think they/them pronouns is getting a bit silly now, as it's going to just confuse more than help. 

Plus if I'm completely honest I couldn't date or sleep with a Transwoman, so by this basis despite my support and hope that all people are happy. I just don't recognize them as real men or women post op and I'm guessing that's true for most heterosexual and gay people. I think this is a question people should ask themselves, when they chuck homophobic at people who question Transgender rights. 

Maybe within the next 100 years or so of phycological conditioning by Sociality telling people this is normal and if you don't accept this you are homophobic, people will be more accepting and gender fluid as a whole. 

We unfortunately we have been living in a very homophobic world and it will take time for our ingrained views to change and accept all people as they want to be viewed.

Not sure what my point is other than just because it seems to be anti trans legislation, it may not be a bad legislation.

But I do think it is a wedge to open the way for more anti rights and it's not been used in the right way.

[sek69]

Yeah it's something that will gradually be more accepted over time, and there will certainly be speedbumps along the way. I have a cousin who is trans, and I sometimes refer to him by his former name, not out of any spite but just from my old man brain autocompleting the name I knew him by for 20+ years.  It's a learning process for everyone, and hopefully seeing these attempts to legislate folks out of existence will open some eyes to how trans folks aren't the devil but just folks wanting to live their truest lives.

 

But, PWO of course, so  I suppose this should probably end this particular conversation.

[ragemaster]

22 minutes ago, sek69 said:

But, PWO of course, so  I suppose this should probably end this particular conversation.

Yes of course, 

[JRH]

So is there any news on potential other HOF members? I could see them putting Dick Ebersol in the celebrity wing (for SNME), but he may be too obscure for the average fan (plus, SNME hasnt been on the air for years, even the short-lived revival was still over 10 years ago, it's not like something like RAW or Smackdown).

[Brandon-E]

Maybe we'll see Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the celebrity wing?

[JRH]

It's a dark horse induction, but how about Haku/Meng? He's pretty much achieved a status as a memetic badass due to all the stories about him, so he's got that going for him. 

[SteveJRogers]

ITS TIME!

ITS TIME!

ITS VADER IN THE WWE HALL TIME!

https://comicbook.com/wwe/amp/news/wwe-vader-2022-hall-of-fame/

[DMJ]

Long overdue. I'm not sure if Vader gave a shit or not, but it would've been nice for him to go in when he was still alive just to get that pop in person at the ceremony.

Does Foley do the induction? 

[NintendoLogic]

15 minutes ago, DMJ said:

Long overdue. I'm not sure if Vader gave a shit or not, but it would've been nice for him to go in when he was still alive just to get that pop in person at the ceremony.

Does Foley do the induction? 

By all accounts, he cared a great deal. He was lobbying heavily both publicly and privately to be inducted while he was still alive. So his induction will be bittersweet for me even if is well-deserved and long overdue.

[El-P]

The Undertaker.

Vader.

Sharmell.

(glad I'm not on Twitter. This is gonna be so bad on every front)

[The Thread Killer]

Listen, if you can watch the Sharmell vs. Jenna Morasca 7* classic from TNA Victory Road 2009, and then turn around and say that Sharmell doesn’t belong in the Hall of Fame…then I just don’t know what to tell you.  Maybe you aren’t really a wrestling fan. Never mind the pointless WWE Hall of Fame. Why is this woman not in the Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame? And The Observer?

[KawadaSmile]

Queen Sharmell and King Booker is a GOAT tier act I dunno what you guys are on 

[NotJayTabb]

I've no issue with Sharmell making the HoF. She was a good character for a few years, arguably enhancing the reign of world champion Booker T, she's a good promo so she'll probably do a nice speech, and I imagine her and Booker live in Texas, so it's a nice local induction. The idea of Booker getting to induct his wife into the HoF in his home state is sweet enough that I'm happy with this one.

[Yo-Yo's Roomie]

Donald Trump's in this hall. I think we can make room for Sharmell 'Paisley' Sullivan.

[El-P]

16 minutes ago, Yo-Yo's Roomie said:

Donald Trump's in this hall. I think we can make room for Sharmell 'Paisley' Sullivan.

There's also the reverse way of looking at it :

"Hey look, we put a black woman in our HoF, we so inclusive and shit !"

You mean the HoF with the white supremacist homophobic chauvinist pig former president supported by actual neo-nazis and fascists in it ? Well, that's pretty inclusive indeed.

Apart from that, in the grand scheme of things of course Sharmell doesn't belong in any kind of wrestling HOF, she was a fun valet for a cup of coffee and surely made her goofy and awkward husband a better act for a while (probably the best he's been), but that's way beside the point. It's only extremely striking the amazing difference of profile between the first nominees, two legit legends of the business, and the token random female nominee of the year ("She lives in Texas ? Booker is still employed ? Ok, she's in !"). Meanwhile, Sable is still not in it. Or you know what, since they had her in the Royal Rumble despite working for Impact, Mickie James sure would have been quite a decent name. It's not like it matters, it's only pretty telling of how things work.