El-P Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Yeah but that has nothing whatsoever to do with big move desensitization, ie. "what's next a 1080 moonsault off the ceiling while you're lit on fire?" Fair enough. Honestly I don't know ROH's product so I'm not aware if this is all about stopfests or not. Just poiting out that Cornette was a fan of "workrate" matches even back then, as Flair was not exactly the greatest psych even at his peak and was more about go-go-go really. As far as big spots, well, yeah, although Flair for a 80's US wrestler had a pretty large moveset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 At least it's better than "UFC is what wrestling used to be". I've heard both Cornette and Terry say that before.Terry pretty much said it again in that interview. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Yeah but that has nothing whatsoever to do with big move desensitization, ie. "what's next a 1080 moonsault off the ceiling while you're lit on fire?" Fair enough. Honestly I don't know ROH's product so I'm not aware if this is all about stopfests or not. Just poiting out that Cornette was a fan of "workrate" matches even back then, as Flair was not exactly the greatest psych even at his peak and was more about go-go-go really. As far as big spots, well, yeah, although Flair for a 80's US wrestler had a pretty large moveset. No one is allowed to respond to this. No good can come of it. (I kid, I kid. Sort of.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 From THE LAST OBSERVER EVER: The April 85 one where he announced that he was done and talked about Mania: "Northwest Champ Karl Steiner wrestled throughout Europe and East Canada as Bob "UFC" Dellaserra." So what did the UFC stand for? Dave made a typo, it was UFO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricR Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I think this way pretty great from today's update: "Not a lot of major news coming out of the quarterly conference call. We'll have a major story in the next Observer." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 From THE LAST OBSERVER EVER: The April 85 one where he announced that he was done and talked about Mania: "Northwest Champ Karl Steiner wrestled throughout Europe and East Canada as Bob "UFC" Dellaserra." So what did the UFC stand for? Dave made a typo, it was UFO. Thanks. There are obviously mysterious hints to the future in Dave's Observer typos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 WWE's 2010 fourth quarter financial results - disappointing but slightly better than expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 edit: He references Brody as a "Bolshevik"?! He meant it in the sense of Brody being a radical iconoclast. The original meaning of the word, not the Boris Zhukov/Nikolai Volkoff tag team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricR Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 From today's update, I really don't understand the reason to do a poll and then make fun of the answers. If there's only one right answer and it's not an opinion, then what is the point of doing a poll again? "-- Which show does better on PPV? UFC 129 in Toronto 63.0% WrestleMania 37.0% Some amazingly optimistic wrestling fans here." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Also, it's a bad question. I presume Dave means by "better on PPV", better in North America, not better worldwide. In North America UFC 129 should comfortably beat Mania, but it's highly questionable that it will beat Mania once overseas buys are factored in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooley Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Also, it's a bad question. I presume Dave means by "better on PPV", better in North America, not better worldwide. In North America UFC 129 should comfortably beat Mania, but it's highly questionable that it will beat Mania once overseas buys are factored in. I don't believe it is. UFC 129 is a possible million buy event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Dave in response to Oliver Copp joking "I wonder how they could given that Tito has no brain" when Dave said "MRI & CTSCAN came out perfect": Unnmaed web site headline story: UFC WAS TO ALLOW FIGHTER WITH NO BRAIN TO PERFORM ON SHOWS UFC Insider Oliver Copp revealed yesterday on the Wrestling Observer/Figure Four message board that Tito Ortiz, the former light heavyweight champion, was about to be put into a cage even though he no longer possesses a brain. Dave Meltzer, known content partner with the UFC claimed that Ortiz's MRI and CTSCAN came back fine, after which Copp gave the starting bit of news. Ortiz was scheduled to fight on March 26th in Seattle against Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, in the main event on a sold out show at the Key Arena. Ortiz was replaced yesterday by Phil Davis in the match. This shows what a low-life the entire Zuffa organizataion is that they would promote a man to headline with full knowledge that he had no brain. Copp could not be reached for comment, but in looking back it is clear Meltzer has known Ortiz was brainless after his fight with Forrest Griffin, where before the fight he said he was fine and 100%, and after losing via decision said that he could not spar due to having a cracked skull. "How could he say something so stupid," said Meltzer on his radio show the night of the fight. "You know he must not have a brain." This statement shows Meltzer has been aware at least since late 2009 that Ortiz was suffering from hypobrainadism and should no longer be licensed to fight. But he kept it quiet, no doubt due to his relationship with the UFC and its secret silent owner, Paul Heyman. Further indications is Ortiz's continuing relationship with psychotic former porn star Jenna Jameson. Jameson had him arrested, claimed he beat her, then dropped off her kids and went to Las Vegas and binged out for a weekend, changed her story 47 times and a week later the two reconciled. "Only someone without a brain would do that," noted relationship expert Richard Morgan Fliehr of Charlotte. "Wahoo McDaniel. That's a real man. He's have slapped her upside the head and told her, `Don't let the door hit you on the way out." However, not all agreed with that viewpoint. "It all depends. What if his girlfriend looked exactly like his daughter," said Terry Bollea. "And you never know, Leila Ali may have called him too set him straight." Meltzer will never acknowledge that Dana White is also not a human being, but s actually a robot hired by the Fertitta brothers to be a front man, and most of all, has never done anything positive for MMA. In fact, he was against The Ultimate Fighter reality show. And any other robot could have done what he did even better. Watson proved it last week. WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I don't believe it is. UFC 129 is a possible million buy event. With The Rock WrestleMania is a possible million buy event too if you factor in worldwide buys into the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 That sounds like an Onion story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 2/23 WON: Manami Toyota, arguably the greatest woman wrestler of all-time, who turns 40 in a few weeks, returns to the U.S. for the CHIKARA Pro King of Trios tournament. Toyota will wrestle against men, something she doesn’t do in Japan. Well, at least in public. Actually, I’m guessing she just doesn’t do it at all.Um, wow. Also, she did quite well in an intergender tag five years ago, thanks to being in there with juniors (Hidaka and Minoru Fujita) who didn't loom over her. Same thing could happen in CHIKARA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Nice lesbian crack by Dave. "Stay classy..." John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I thought it was a "joshi wrestlers are prostitutes on the side" joke. Either way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Not a prostiture crack. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Dave "I speak regularly with Dana White" Meltzer complaining about MMA rankings is always amusing, especially when his opening gambit is such a silly sentence: UFC and Strikeforce are not the same sport. One has elbows on the ground. One doesn't. Entirely different, especially in the heavyweight division when you are talking powerful wrestlers. One gives fighters their fights months in advance and they have long camps focusing on the specific fight on a specific date. One makes matches usually a few weeks ahead and guys rush to get into as good a shape as possible, and often opponents for guys they are trying to push are called two weeks out to be opponents so they aren't in the same condition as their foe. Now that does happen in UFC, but it's injury replacements, not originally matched opponents. And in Japan, that is even more pronounced. Japan is even more different. Ring. Biased officials whose job it is to make sure the right guy they are pushing wins. And fighters knowing that it's more important to do a German suplex or a dropkick and lose than win. Nobody in UFC fights anyone in other organizations. Then you want to make ratings, which is silly enough, but is going to be done. But then you want to argue Lesnar vs. Werdum???? Aside from Werdum didn't last in UFC and Lesnar was its world champion. And UFC is the major league organization. If I'm listing the best pitchers in baseball, top ten, do I list the guy who wins 20 games in the Japanese Central League or the guy in Puerto Rico or the guy in Mexico. All of them MAY be of major league caliber and perhaps some if they were in the major leagues would do well. Perhaps even be in the top ten. But no baseball writer in ranking would consider anything but the major leagues. Ditto basketball. Best player in the Italian league, is he one of the best point guards. I have no clue until he's in the NBA. But, if you have the one-dimensional player who was the best center last year, got blown out as No. 1 this year, and compare him to a guy cut 3 years ago who now dominates a European league, well, you know where I'm going. And maybe Werdum beats Lesnar. Anyone can win. Put the major league champions against the Japanese league champions, and will it be a clean sweep? Probably not. And somehow Lesnar's world title defense over undefeated huge heavyweight Carwin who nobody had ever survived four minutes with before was really a loss while Bigfoot's prelim match win over journeyman light heavyweight Kyle taking the fight at the last minute wasn't really a loss when they were close to the same two fights. Now you're being shallow. You walk into a bar tonight and ask who has better fights, UFC or Strikeforce, and the answer will be, "What are you doing talking about Rick Martel from 20 years ago in an MMA discussion?" So yeah, business is more important to them as well, you're just missing why. They also don't care about who would win, Werdum or Lesnar. They don't even know Werdum. Affliction with Fedor and all the great heavyweights in Strikeforce did barely half of what WEC did on PPV, so that tells you what the average fan thinks or cares about in the heavyweight division. And if training camps don't matter, why do fighters do them? Why do they complain about being short-shrifted on them? Who do promoters use them to give the advantage to the house fighter by making sure their opponents are called late, a tactic used forever in boxing and MMA? I've spoken to heavyweights who make a point about elbows on the ground. In UFC, you don't want to be on your back having a big wrestler land elbows. In Strikeforce, being on your back as a heavyweight isn't as bad. That right there changes the sport. Besides, give me a major league baseball rankings system that includes the Pacific Coast league players and Japanese league players. Even though AL & NL do have different rules, the teams play each other during the season and in post-season, so they are connected. UFC & Strikeforce have no such connection. Talent goes back and forth, just as talent in the major leagues sometimes goes back and forth to the Pacific Coast League or the Japanese Leagues and NFL marginal talent may wind up in the Canadian League. But you can't possibly rank them together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Nice lesbian crack by Dave. "Stay classy..." John Yep... Classy indeed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Wait, so almost everything IS the same sport except the two things that ARE the same sport, just with some different rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 The ABA was a totally different sport from the NBA at that time. Three point shot blah blah yadda yadda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 The ABA was a totally different sport from the NBA at that time. Three point shot blah blah yadda yadda. "The ball is red white and blue, Julius Erving's fro is bigger than the normal NBA fro" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Yeah... this is crackpot stuff. They're the same sport. The promotions and the fighters are different. NFL and NCAA Football are both football. Of course the NFL is on a different level in terms of talent and business. No one would argue any different. But they are both football, and there's actual talent in the NCAA that will eventually shine on the NFL. Did Ichiro take magic beans when he got to MLB, or did he happen to be that good while over in Japan? Cecil Fielder? This is one where Dave has a reasonable point (UFC > Strikeforce on a ton of levels) that gets murdered by a string of his terribly analogies. One wonders why he doesn't just stick with the relatively easy point: UFC > Strikeforce on a ton of levels. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Crap, I forgot NBA vs NCAA Baskettball and quarters vs halves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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