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There are so many lucha matches that making a list is genuinely depressing. These are ALL Luchas de Apuestas (Hair/Mask) matches:

 

Perro Aguayo vs Karloff Lagarde 6/8/74

Perro Aguayo vs Ringo Mendoza x2 5/25/75 and 5/16/76

Perro Aguayo vs El Santo 10/3/75

Perro Aguayo vs El Faraon 9/24/76

Perro Aguayo vs El Solitario 9/10/76

Perro Aguayo vs Rene Guajardo 6/29/76

Perro Aguayo vs Tony Salazr 9/17/82

Perro Aguayo vs Negro Navarro 5/27/83

Perro Aguayo vs El Texano 7/15/83

Perro Aguayo vs Villano III 8/21/83

Perro Aguayo vs El Faraon 10/26/86

Perro Aguayo vs Sangre Chicana 2/15/87

Perro Aguayo vs vs Babe Face 12/6/87

Perro Aguayo vs vs Sangre Chicana 12/20/87

Perro Aguayo vs Ultraman 7/16/88

Perro Aguayo vs vs Sangre Chicana 1/27/89

 

Sangre Chicana vs FIshman 9/23/77

Sangre Chicana & Alfonso Dantes vs El Faraon & Ringo Mendoza 4/22/78

Sangre Chicana vs Gran Cochise 10/19/79

Sangre Chicana & Satanico vs Ringo Mendoza & Cachorro Mendoza

Sangre Chicana vs El Satanico 6/?/82

Sangre Chicana vs El Satanico 12/10/82 (Draw, both lose hair)

Sangre Chicana vs Tony Salazar 8/5/84

Sangre Chicana vs Tony Benetto 3/31/85

Sangre Chicana vs El Faraon 3/7/86

Sangre Chicana vs Ultraman ?/?/87

Sangre Chicana vs La Fiera 11/?/87

 

 

With Satanico, literally all of his matches from the 70s/80s are Holy Grails to me. But these two jump off the page the most (Ignoring the matches against Chicana alreadylisted):

El Satanico vs Mocho Cota 9/26/80

El Satanico vs La Fiera 9/16/83 (one week before the famous Chicana/MS-1 match)

 

I mean, there are literally 1000s of Lucha Holy Grails for me. I would hit a small child if it meant we could have as much LUcha from the 50s/60s/70s/80s as we do in the US or Japan.

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I am relatively new to Lucha (been watching 80s and 90s only within the last year or so), but honestly everything Sangre Chicana is at the top of my list, especially the El Satanico stuff. I love the two matches between them I have seen. When Sagre Chicana was on he was absolute fire.

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Take a look at the first post of the thread if you haven't in a while.

 

http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/15404-holy-grails/?p=5494479&do=findComment&comment=5494479

 

Over the years this turned into a list more about unaired footage than holy grails. I bolded the ones that seem to have gotten the most hype around them over the years and seem to be considered grails more than others.

 

Need to expand on Japan and Mexico and get some UK, Stampede, Puerto Rico, New Zealand, Hawaii, etc.

 

Really at this point it becomes asking if there are any big omissions on the current list...if there are post them up.

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Thanks for the list. Great resource.

 

I know it's from th 1970's, but something that will we know the WWE has footage of is the first Battle of the Nature Boys from 1979. It was part of George Pantas' collection which was sold to WWE last year.

 

Ric Flair vs. Buddy Rogers (Greensboro 7/8/1979) - could be from a different night as they had several matches but this is the famous one

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Stan Hansen vs El Canek 9/30/84

 

Are you sure that this happened? The only encounter I know of between them is this one:

 

EL CANEK Y DOS CARAS VS STAN HANSEN Y BABY FACE

 

 

As for Hogan/Canek, I think the only matches taped are these:

 

EL CANEK Y HULK HOGAN VS RIKI CHOSHU Y KILLER KHAN

 

Hulk Hogan & Antonio Inoki VS Andre The Giant & Canek

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A watchable version of the Bestia Salvaje/Hector Garza/Satanico hair match from 95 would be cool. There are some old comments on google.groups that confirm that the Emilio Charles Jr/Satanico hair match from 98 aired, so that's something that is probably attainable somehow.

 

Not sure if these fit the holly grail criteria for everyone, but here's a list of matches that Cubsfan has airing that, at the moment, are not widely circulating:

 

Dr Wagner vs Pierroth Jr. (4/2/93)

Mocho Cota vs Ultimo Dragon (11/19/93)

Mano Negra vs Bestia Salvaje( 12/3/93)

Mocho Cota vs Kato Kung Lee (12/10/93)

Emilio Charles Jr. vs La Fiera (4/15/94)

Javier Cruz vs. Americo Rocca (10/14/94)

Atlantis vs Dr Wagner (12/17/95)

Silver King vs La Fiera (3/21/97)

 

That Cota/Dragon title match from 93 was on one of the lucha comps that Paul Herzog put together in the 90's, so that seems like something that is attainable as well.

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Do we know what else is unreleased from that collection?

 

(Full disclosure: I want to see Bockwinkel in Greensboro from 79)

 

Apparently some footage surfaced on Disc 2 of the JCP Good Old Days documentary. No idea what's on there but I might check it out soon.

 

 

I can't remember what all is on there but it's REAAAAALY disappointing. Like 15 minutes of footage, not worth much at all.

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Is there a match from Japan that is really sought after?

 

Hundreds of them. :)

 

The 05/19/63 Destroyer vs Rikidozan (Riki jobs in the 3rd fall to the figure four) and 05/24/63 Destroyer vs Rikidozan (DKO bloodbath that drew the insane "70 million" viewership). I'm not certain if the first one was on TV.

 

Others:

 

02/28/66 NWA Int'l Title: Giant Baba vs Lou Thesz (21:13, 2:45, 0:51)

 

Lou had just dropped the NWA Title and came over to put over Baba shortly after Baba won the Int'l title. Did it clean with a backdrop suplex.

 

I've talked about the Giant Baba & Antonio Inoki vs Wilbur Snyder & Danny Hodge series in 1969:

 

http://www.puroresu.com/jwa/results/jwa196901newyear.html

12/27/68 Tokyo - Kuramae Kokugikan (Friday) (First show of the new year)

Michiaki Yoshimura (15min limit draw) Danny Hodge

Antonio Inoki (15min limit draw) Wilbur Snyder

Giant Baba (5:50 pin) Tom Jones

 

01/03/69 Tokyo - Kuramae Kokugikan (Friday) (First show of the new year)

NWA Int'l Tag Title: Giant Baba & Antonio Inoki (1-1) Danny Hodge & Wilbur Snyder

1: Snyder (15:46 pin) Baba

2: Baba (17:53 pin) Snyder

3: (60min time limit)

 

01/09/69 Hiroshima - Pref. Gym (Thursday)

NWA Int'l Tag Title: Danny Hodge & Wilbur Snyder def Giant Baba & Antonio Inoki (title change)

1: Hodge (18:08 pin) Inoki

2: Inoki (4:34 abdominal stretch) Hodge

3: Snyder (3:45 pin) Baba

 

01/11/69 Osaka - Pref. Gym (Saturday)

Antonio Inoki DCOR Danny Hodge (14:25)

NWA Int'l Title: Giant Baba (2-1) Wilbur Snyder

1: Baba (16:31 DQ)

2: Snyder (3:27 pin)

3: Baba (3:27 pin)

 

01/31/69 Tokyo - Korakuen Hall (Friday)

Wilbur Snyder (2-1) Antonio Inoki

1: Snyder (11:03 pin)

2: Inoki (1:40 abdominal stretch)

3: Snyder (9:50 DQ)

 

02/04/69 Sapporo - Nakajima Sports Center (Tuesday)

NWA Int'l Tag Title: Giant Baba & Antonio Inoki (2-1) Danny Hodge & Wilbur Snyder (title change)

1: Baba & Inoki (23:59 DQ)

2: Snyder (1:03 pin) Baba

3: Baba (2:59 abdominal stretch) Snyder

 

02/11/69 Akita - Pref. Gym (Tuesday) (final card of the Series)

NWA Int'l Tag Title: Giant Baba & Antonio Inoki* (2-1) Danny Hodge & Wilbur Snyder

1: Snyder (21:32 pin) Inoki

2: Inoki (3:25 COR) Snyder

3: Inoki (3:42 octopus hold) Snyder

 

I would think that a good deal of that was taped and/or live. It would be the best shot of seeing Snyder and Hodge as workers, especially if there were several of them to comp. Some nice, long matches there and something they thought was decent enough to run so often. I don't recall any tag match up for the belts getting worked over like that in the 60s.

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Added these that were mentioned in a related thread over on wrestlingclassics...


Bob Backlund vs Jimmy Snuka (MSG 4-26-82 Superfly Garden debut) -Qaenos

US Express vs Hart Foundation (Orlando 8/19/85) -Pbhero

Harley Race vs Ricky Steamboat (WWF Toronto Maple Leaf Gardens 10-26-86 Curfew Draw) -Pbhero

Ted Dibiase vs Ricky Steamboat (WWF Nov/Dec87) -Andy from NY


Also not sure how this one was left off originally but it's another that has long been talked about and wondered if it ever even happened...


Curt Hennig/Scott Hall vs Steve Regal/Jimmy Garvin (Albuquerque 1-18-86 AWA Tag Title Change)


Should have some lists coming for other countries/territories next week.

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I am of the opinion that the Alburquerque title change did happen, based on my readings from the KM site a few years back and discussions with other AWA guys of the time frame.

 

That it wasn't filmed at all is also a possibility. Raschke-Crusher's title win apparently wasn't either. Both would have been done "on the fyl" so to speak with people leaving the area holding the belts. It's not like Verne wouldn't make snap decisions or anything... :)

 

 

I'd think if it was filmed it would have been to have clips for TV available. So yeah on the change happening for real, no on the filming of it IMO.

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Great update to the lucha list thanks to alexoblivion and ohtanis jacket...

 

Negro Casas vs Fuerza Guerrera - CMLL Aniversario Sept80

El Satanico vs Mocho Cota 9/26/80

Bob Backlund vs Antonio Inoki 5/1/81

Sangre Chicana vs El Satanico June82

Perro Aguayo vs Tony Salazar 9/17/82

Sangre Chicana vs El Satanico 12/10/82 (Draw, both lose hair)

Perro Aguayo vs Negro Navarro 5/27/83

Sangre Chicana vs. Perro Aguayo 7/1/83

Perro Aguayo vs El Texano 7/15/83

Hulk Hogan/Gran Hamada vs El Canek/Perro Aguayo 7/31/83

Perro Aguayo vs Villano III 8/21/83

El Satanico vs La Fiera 9/26/83

Sangre Chicana vs Tony Salazar 8/5/84

Hulk Hogan vs El Canek 9/2/84

Atlantis vs. Talisman 9/21/84

Stan Hansen vs El Canek 9/30/84

Sangre Chicana vs Tony Benetto 3/31/85

Sangre Chicana vs El Faraon 3/7/86

Perro Aguayo vs El Faraon 10/26/86

Satanico vs. Pirata Morgan 12/5/86

Atlantis vs. Hombre Bala 12/5/86

Perro Aguayo vs Sangre Chicana 2/15/87

Sangre Chicana vs Ultraman 87

Sangre Chicana vs La Fiera Nov87

Perro Aguayo vs vs Babe Face 12/6/87

Perro Aguayo vs vs Sangre Chicana 12/20/87

Perro Aguayo vs Ultraman 7/16/88

Gran Cochisse vs. Blue Panther 9/16/88

Satanico vs. Texano 9/16/88

Perro Aguayo vs vs Sangre Chicana 1/27/89

Dr Wagner vs Pierroth Jr. 4/2/93

Mocho Cota vs Ultimo Dragon 11/19/93

Mano Negra vs Bestia Salvaje 12/3/93

Mocho Cota vs Kato Kung Lee 12/10/93

Emilio Charles Jr. vs La Fiera 4/15/94

Javier Cruz vs. Americo Rocca 10/14/94

Bestia Salvaje vs. Hector Garza 12/1/95

Star of Death Cage Match 12/9/95

Atlantis vs Dr Wagner 12/17/95

Silver King vs La Fiera 3/21/97

Emilio Charles Jr. vs. El Satanico 3/20/98

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Looking for additions to expand on the Puro list post-70s. This is all that's been mentioned over the years in the old thread at DVDVR and here. Granted a lot has popped up since this started, but there has to be some big ones that have been overlooked and need mentioning. Here's all there is at the moment...

 

Finlay/Roberts vs Fujiwara/Kido - NJPW 7/14/83

Gagne/Brunzell vs Brody/Hansen - AJPW 4/16/84

Funks vs Bulldogs - RWTL 84

Kawada vs Hansen - Champions Carnival 93

Misawa & Kobashi vs Baba & Hansen - RWTL 93 Full

Misawa & Kobashi vs Kawada & Taue - RWTL95

Kobashi vs Williams - Champions Carnival 96

Misawa vs Kawada - Champions Carnival 96

Misawa vs Taue - Champions Carnival 96

Misawa vs Kobashi - Champions Carnival 97

Ikeda/Sugiura vs Kanemura/Kuroda - WEW 1/31/03 Iron Man Match

Bryan Danielson vs Minoru Suzuki - NJPW 7/20/04

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