khawk20 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 It'd be fun if the Wyatts came out and attacked the Shield. Just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 I can't imagine this would make you very happy if you were CM Punk. Steve Austin @steveaustinBSR @CMPunk Lay your shit in, bro. It's TV. #wwe #raw 10:58 PM - 8 Jul 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 It'd be fun if the Wyatts came out and attacked the Shield. Just because. I can't remember where I read it, but someone fantasy booked the Wyatt Family's debut as them attacking the Shield, leading to just about the entire locker room praising them and looking to Bray Wyatt as a leader (just as he predicted)...only to eventually find out that these fuckers are FAR worse than the Shield ever were, eventually leading to a Shield face turn. Regardless, PVR'ed RAW and was only interested in checking out the Wyatts' debut. Count me in as impressed. I was worried, especially with the announcement of their debut (which I feel they arguably shouldn't have done, as whether it's TV or PPV, they're the types whose debut should be left as a surprise). I dug the dark entrance with the lantern. The beatdown possibly could've been a little more unique, but it was alright. Bray played his role well. But...yeah, fuck the "Husky Harris" chants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicious&delicious Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Maybe the lesson here is WWE should give a little more thought to how they name their wrestlers? Also, when they reintroduce a wrestler under a new gimmick maybe that wrestler should keep his old name. Tensai would've gone further if they just acknowledged from day 1 he was Albert. I don't think it would be all that difficult to mesh the Wyatt and Harris backstories together. Harris was in the new Nexus as a sheep and was left for dead. But he has learned how to lead and now he's back for revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 I can't imagine this would make you very happy if you were CM Punk. Steve Austin @steveaustinBSR @CMPunk Lay your shit in, bro. It's TV. #wwe #raw 10:58 PM - 8 Jul 2013 Punk did look like shit in that match, while Orton was bringing a ton of intensity, but Austin probably shouldn't be calling him out on twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 I don't think it would be all that difficult to mesh the Wyatt and Harris backstories together. Harris was in the new Nexus as a sheep and was left for dead. But he has learned how to lead and now he's back for revenge. He could have a built in feud with Orton too. As he Punt kicked him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 I can't imagine this would make you very happy if you were CM Punk. Steve Austin @steveaustinBSR @CMPunk Lay your shit in, bro. It's TV. #wwe #raw 10:58 PM - 8 Jul 2013 Punk did look like shit in that match, while Orton was bringing a ton of intensity, but Austin probably shouldn't be calling him out on twitter Agreed he shouldn't be calling him out on Twitter, but that kick to the head he did while Orton was on his knees looked like it missed by a mile and was saved by a lucky camera angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlk23 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 The Wyatts fucking ruled, but I might be biased since their theme is my favorite WWE produced music in a long time. I don't think WWE did it. Mark Crozer and The Rels - Broken Out In Love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravJ1979 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Certainly, I do not want to derail this Wyatt talk, but wanted to address the responses. Including Santino of all people in that group is strange. Before he went heel he was a fan from the crowd, and then a huge underdog who was Italian and dated Maria. Nothing about him was dangerous or cerebral. He definitely was not cerebral, but I doubt when he was portraying a Russian shoot fighter in OVW that WWE had plans for him to have a uni-brow and use a snake sock puppet for a finisher. Trust me, I'm not complaining as I found him to be very good in the comedy role and he became much more successful than he would have otherwise. Speaking of Santino, it also reminds me of Vladimir Koslov who also meets the criteria of monster turned into comedic goofball when they teamed together. That whole "They ruined Goldberg because Goldust put a wig on him once" talking point is the worst "if ya tell it long enough people will believe it" non-story ever. I've actually read people saying shit like "They made him wrestle with a wig!" Khali had a great run as a monster and now at the end of his career he does comedy. It's nothing new. Kane's career was revitalized by the Hell No stuff. Tensai didn't get over. At least now he's having fun. Brodus as dancing monster got him over where as "Boring monster #5 " would have sucked. Santino? Show and Henry have done it all and are now total ass kicking monsters. And Mercy was broken down and couldn't go. Also, Doink and Yokozuna were fucking awesome. And why immediately go "Sure it's cool, but it'll suck eventually?" Don't be a Debbie Downer. I'm not saying Goldberg was ruined by that one incident, but it did not help matters. What got him over in WCW was the streak and being an unbeatable powerhouse. In WWE he lost his very first match, he jobbed to HHH in their first one-on-one meeting and only had a few good wins until finally beating HHH in September, 5 months after his debut. Maybe he doesn't fit into my point when only taking into consideration his WWE career, but bring in the fans perception of him carried over and I think it fits the bill. I covered Santino above and your points on Khali, Tensai, and Brodus match the reason I put them in this group of examples in the first place. I'll agree that Kane was made relevant again by Team Hell No and, in hindsight, of everyone listed he probably doesn't belong . Big Show and Henry have been with the company so long they were able to reinvent themselves and have definitely come full circle. That isn't to say WWE did not *try* hard on more than one occasion to make them goofs. As for Waylon Mercy, I admitted in my initial post he was already broken down/past his prime as evident by him lasting only four months. I wasn't using Doink and Yoko as points of comparison because I thought they sucked, but rather to compare Mercy's gimmick of being deep and disturbed with the simple to understand, straight forward gimmicks of a fun loving clown and an evil sumo wrestler. Again, I love the gimmick and wish to see it succeed, but by Summerslam I'll not be surprised if it hasn't worked out for us fans of the gimmick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Goldberg's first WWE match was against The Rock, which he won. I do agree with the rest of the point though. If they were going to push Goldberg as indestructible, there was no point in hiring him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravJ1979 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Goldberg's first WWE match was against The Rock, which he won. I do agree with the rest of the point though. If they were going to push Goldberg as indestructible, there was no point in hiring him at all. You're right. Somehow I was remembering Rock leaving after the match and for some reason he took a win with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 This is not some new internet age phenomenon. Guys who had runs under shitty names/gimmicks have always got crap about it from the crowd. Terry Taylor got rooster calls for years after he stopped being the Red Rooster. I remember being at a WCW house show in the early 90s and a bunch of people including my Dad giving him a bunch of crap about being the Red Rooster. This may really be the moment when the Gods looked down upon us and said "You know what? Fuck it. Let's just relocate to another galaxy and start over." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Triple H never did beat Goldberg one on one - only in the Elimination Chamber and in a triple threat match. Goldberg won all their 1 on 1 matches (Unforgiven, Survivor Series, and a DQ on Raw) I think he remained fairly protected in WWE for the year he was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I think he beat him once on RAW, not cleanly by any stretch of the imagination. Batista did the powerbomb, Orton did the RKO, and then HHH did the Pedigree and pinned him. Not sure if it was a handicap match or something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I love that HITC with Goldberg. He's an absolute killing machine beast who only lost because it was a two on one what with Flair at ringside and the hammer. In no way did Goldberg look bad in that. If anything it made HHH look like a pussy. Who gives a shit about the pinfall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 People who care about a wrestler who became a star because people were counting his victories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I love that HITC with Goldberg. He's an absolute killing machine beast who only lost because it was a two on one what with Flair at ringside and the hammer. In no way did Goldberg look bad in that. If anything it made HHH look like a pussy. Who gives a shit about the pinfall? I love the sequence where Goldberg eliminates practically everyone with the intensity of a pissed off bull in a china shop, and then stands right in front of HHH's pod waiting for him. Then yeah, it went to shit. Sure, it took a hammer shot for HHH to retain, but the crowd was absolutely molten hot for Goldberg and they deliver that finish. It was damaging also in the context that the next month's PPV coronation for Goldberg came across flat because well, everyone knew it was coming but there was that sense that it was a little bit too late. Summerslam was the time to put the belt on Goldberg, and they still could have had the one on one matchup the next month with Goldberg defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravJ1979 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I think he beat him once on RAW, not cleanly by any stretch of the imagination. Batista did the powerbomb, Orton did the RKO, and then HHH did the Pedigree and pinned him. Not sure if it was a handicap match or something else. Yep. 7/20/03 Raw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I love that HITC with Ryback. He's an absolute killing machine beast who only lost because it was a two on one what with Brad Maddox and the fast count. In no way did Ryback look bad in that. If anything it made Punk look like a pussy. Who gives a shit about the pinfall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerpride Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I love that HITC with Goldberg. He's an absolute killing machine beast who only lost because it was a two on one what with Flair at ringside and the hammer. In no way did Goldberg look bad in that. If anything it made HHH look like a pussy. Who gives a shit about the pinfall? That Elimination Chamber match was awful. They finally figure out how to book Goldberg, the crowd is going crazy, we were even going crazy watching it at home. And then HHH hits one move and its over? Just awful indefensible booking. I think the internet exploded that night. As Loss said, Goldberg was the one wrestler where wins and losses mattered. So it was a big deal and worth giving a shit about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 WWE Performance Centre is pretty bitching Check out the floor plan: http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/slidesh...ry&img_no=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Yeah, the ending to that Elimination Chamber match was awful, made all the more galling by the fact HHH was injured, in makeshift gear and should have been dropping the title regardless in that condition. That era is filled with the resigned sighs of the IWC after Trips regained or retained at PPVs - the 2003 Armageddon triple threat and the Orton match in 2004 are perhapsthe zeniths of internet disdain for Helmsley, where people just couldn't believe he would book himself to win the belt once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I think he beat him once on RAW, not cleanly by any stretch of the imagination. Batista did the powerbomb, Orton did the RKO, and then HHH did the Pedigree and pinned him. Not sure if it was a handicap match or something else. Yeah that was a three on one handicap match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 I was curious about this whole Wyatt's deal, so I watched the vignettes. I can see why people would enjoy them, but for me it is way overedited with a thousand frames and effects which doesn't fit the mood they were trying to instill. Then I watched the infamous debut. Well, I enjoy the music, the whole lantern and rocking-chair deal, but really, those two guys look like the Godwinns and the beatdown on Kane complete with the awkward steel step spot where it's obvious they don't even touch Kane's head was rather tepid to me. Finally, Wyatt's long ass pose looked as inorganic as any other WWE robot pose. Frankly, in the end I thought this guy was as uncreepy as Vampiro in 2000 (gasp). Much ado about nothing as far as I'm concerned. Nice intro though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 No crazy Pentacostal hillbilly cults in France, I take it? Speaking of Ryback, I'm trying to figure out what they're doing with him. I first thought they were just killing him off, but they did this weird thing where after Vickie got fired, he came up to her backstage, hugged her, and said she deserved better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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