Parties Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Sorry, wrong thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stomperspc Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Goldberg is better than Reigns is now but for me at least, that has more to do with Goldberg being good & underrated than Reigns being terrible. Goldberg was very good as a squash match wrestler in early 1998. It isn't easy to have strong variety to your matches when none are much more than two minutes but he was doing that with regularity in early 1998. Add in the fact that he had been wrestling for a very short period at the time and there is no question that Goldberg was far more naturally gifted as a wrestler than Reigns. His top matches blow Reigns away but to be fair, Reigns hasn't been given all that many chances. I did think Reigns looked good on Smackdown in the tag main event. He has enough good, identifiable offense to work as the hot tag partner in a tag team which is probably where he should be at this stage of his career. If he has that ability though, he also probably has enough going to be able to work quality singles matches if they are booked right. That largely means keeping them short (under 10 minutes at least). I doubt they do that though. He doesn't need to be booked like Goldberg and booked to win 2 minute squashes because frankly, Goldberg didn't need to be booked that way. He just needs to be protect a bit right now which isn't a terrible thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastic Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-VPbJUTxjA For me personally, this was the only segment where Roman Reigns looked like "the star" of The Shield. Other times it alternates between Ambrose and Rollins. I'm leaning on Rollins currently, I think he's got every opportunity to be the top heel in WWE for a long time. That segment was awesome, not just from The Shield. Triple H was on point too, his frustration and desperate attempts to stand in between The Authority and The Shield only to get speared by Reigns was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadic Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Goldberg is better than Reigns is now but for me at least, that has more to do with Goldberg being good & underrated than Reigns being terrible. Goldberg was very good as a squash match wrestler in early 1998. It isn't easy to have strong variety to your matches when none are much more than two minutes but he was doing that with regularity in early 1998. Add in the fact that he had been wrestling for a very short period at the time and there is no question that Goldberg was far more naturally gifted as a wrestler than Reigns. His top matches blow Reigns away but to be fair, Reigns hasn't been given all that many chances. Goldberg had a lot of competent individuals to work with as he moved up the card that could make him look good and help pace matches out coupled with his natural ability. Reigns has the ability but given the strict soft style WWE works as compared to Goldberg in WCW, I don't know how far Reigns can ever progress. I'd even wager he regresses a lot given these limitations. Also outside of someone like Bryan, Rollins or Cesaro there aren't a lot of guys on the main roster that can really cover for Reigns if necessary. Sure you got Itami, Zayne, Owens, and Balor down in NXT but there is no guarantee once they move up to the main roster they get to do what they've done in NXT and in the past. So, honestly, you've just made a clear cut solid argument why Reigns is NOT the guy you want as your champion right now given how very limited he is in skillset. Also, shit promo material like the one you gave him Friday isn't doing him any favors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 So Savage is finally getting inducted into the WWE HOF. They'll announce it tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pol Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Is it possible that Reigns will still succeed in spite of how terribly he's being booked? Many accounts seem to suggest that he still gets big reactions at house shows. It's logical and perhaps tempting to believe that what we see as bad booking will lead to his failure as a top guy, but is it possible that we're drawing conclusions based on common sense notions that are no longer relevant? With how little contemporary WWE depends on any individual star's power vs. the power of the brand, is it possible that anyone given the right look and enough of a spotlight can anchor the promotion, even if by our standards the spotlight given to him seems actively detrimental to his character? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 So Savage is finally getting inducted into the WWE HOF. They'll announce it tonight. Hogan has to induct him right? Was there any B+ level celebrity he was close to? I could see Choice #1: Hogan, Choice #2: Seth Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 So Savage is finally getting inducted into the WWE HOF. They'll announce it tonight. Hogan has to induct him right? Was there any B+ level celebrity he was close to? I could see Choice #1: Hogan, Choice #2: Seth Green. I bet Lanny inducts him either that or DDP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 So Savage is finally getting inducted into the WWE HOF. They'll announce it tonight. Hogan has to induct him right? Was there any B+ level celebrity he was close to? I could see Choice #1: Hogan, Choice #2: Seth Green. I bet Lanny inducts him either that or DDP. Lanny will accept on Savage's behalf, WWE are already teasing that Hogan will induct him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 So Savage is finally getting inducted into the WWE HOF. They'll announce it tonight. Hogan has to induct him right? Was there any B+ level celebrity he was close to? I could see Choice #1: Hogan, Choice #2: Seth Green. I bet Lanny inducts him either that or DDP. Lanny will accept on Savage's behalf, WWE are already teasing that Hogan will induct him. I always forget you need someone to accept for the dead. Another good one would be Lawler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 So Savage is finally getting inducted into the WWE HOF. They'll announce it tonight. Hogan has to induct him right? Was there any B+ level celebrity he was close to? I could see Choice #1: Hogan, Choice #2: Seth Green. I hope Liz goes in with Randy. As to who would accept the award id say Lanny Poffo but who would induct Randy? Warrior isnt with us but I suppose they could always ask Flair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadic Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Is it possible that Reigns will still succeed in spite of how terribly he's being booked? Many accounts seem to suggest that he still gets big reactions at house shows. It's logical and perhaps tempting to believe that what we see as bad booking will lead to his failure as a top guy, but is it possible that we're drawing conclusions based on common sense notions that are no longer relevant? With how little contemporary WWE depends on any individual star's power vs. the power of the brand, is it possible that anyone given the right look and enough of a spotlight can anchor the promotion, even if by our standards the spotlight given to him seems actively detrimental to his character? Certainly Reigns can succeed. I don't know how he would off the top of my head but it's certainly in the realm of possibility. Mizdow has proven it can be done. The really interesting thing about "common sense" is that a lot of times "common sense" is wrong a lot of times. This could be one of those times where "common sense" is wrong. I seriously doubt it. Then again, I never really equated how they book now factoring in brand power.I made the assumption - perhaps very incorrectly - that they truly have no fucking clue about what to do. Even if they're going to leverage brand power in their booking so they come up with a cookie cutter formula, eventually at some point it's going to backfire because the big stories in sports are driven by people with personalities. I'd wager that if they continue to give Reigns the kind of material they gave him on Friday eventually the babyface heat Reigns has at shows will turn into dis-interest right down into jeers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastic Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Certainly Reigns can succeed. I don't know how he would off the top of my head but it's certainly in the realm of possibility. Maybe they could make these terrible scripted promos part of his gimmick? Kinda like a DC hero? Really ham it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 So Savage is finally getting inducted into the WWE HOF. They'll announce it tonight. That's some odd wording in the announcement. Expected to? Not confirmed? I wonder why they aren't confirming it, can't recall them ever using their website like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 If Reigns was a top guy that didn't talk at all, he might get more over. I imagine people are tired of opening 15 minute dialogues every week. Of course, if he didn't talk, Triple H would just come out & run him down for 15 minutes every week instead, so nothing would change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Look I know the booking is fucking awful and I acknowledge the main event shit the bed last week. But really guys did you miss that Bray Wyatt/Dean Ambrose Ambulance Match! I have been ice cold on both guys since this feud has started and they fucking rocked it. THERE WAS AN ACTUAL BABYFACE SHINE! The heel did not take over in 30 seconds. AMBROSE KICKED HIS ASS! Bray had to slam the door of the ambulance on Dean's leg. DEAN SOLD IT THE ENTIRE MATCH! When was the last time this happened! There were awesome hope spots with vicious cutoffs. Ambrose hit the Tenryu punch/chop combo. Did I mention Ambrose sold the leg the entire match. The ambulance dive was awesome because of the selling. So the wrong guy won, but who cares. There was a fucking badass match! Match of the year contender. Easy ****1/2! Lets turns those frowns upside down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I know you are completely surprised by this but Cena comes out after causing the Authority to come back to power and then causing 3 people to get fired with the same happy go lucky attitude. God I would hated 2010 - 2014 Cena at the main guy on the first RAW or Smackdown after 9/11. Probably wouldn't have wonder why everyone was so grumpy <_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bierschwale Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Rollins looked like RVD in that match. And he needs 12 extra participants to get heel heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Vince is just screwing with us with these Reigns promos now, right? I can't remember the last time I heard a crowd deflate for someone they wanted to cheer for like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Vince is just screwing with us with these Reigns promos now, right? I can't remember the last time I heard a crowd deflate for someone they wanted to cheer for like that. Are we sure this promo wasn't written by Stephanie's daughter Aurora (I think that was the name). I mean this guy shouldn't be winning the US title at WM much less than world title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Goldberg is better than Reigns is now but for me at least, that has more to do with Goldberg being good & underrated than Reigns being terrible. Goldberg was very good as a squash match wrestler in early 1998. It isn't easy to have strong variety to your matches when none are much more than two minutes but he was doing that with regularity in early 1998. Add in the fact that he had been wrestling for a very short period at the time and there is no question that Goldberg was far more naturally gifted as a wrestler than Reigns. His top matches blow Reigns away but to be fair, Reigns hasn't been given all that many chances. Goldberg had a lot of competent individuals to work with as he moved up the card that could make him look good and help pace matches out coupled with his natural ability. Reigns has the ability but given the strict soft style WWE works as compared to Goldberg in WCW, I don't know how far Reigns can ever progress. I'd even wager he regresses a lot given these limitations. Also outside of someone like Bryan, Rollins or Cesaro there aren't a lot of guys on the main roster that can really cover for Reigns if necessary. Sure you got Itami, Zayne, Owens, and Balor down in NXT but there is no guarantee once they move up to the main roster they get to do what they've done in NXT and in the past. So, honestly, you've just made a clear cut solid argument why Reigns is NOT the guy you want as your champion right now given how very limited he is in skillset. Also, shit promo material like the one you gave him Friday isn't doing him any favors... The Goldberg v. Reigns comparison isn't fair for a lot of reasons One thing I'll say strongly on Goldberg's side of the ledger is he was a much more impressive power wrestler and more impressive physically. He held big dudes up in the Jackhammer, did big press slams.....he was an impressive athlete and that's what got him over. Reigns is a good athlete....but he doesn't match the brute power at all. He's pushed as a power wrestler but his big moves are strong leaping strikes. He's added the big Samoan Drop, doing it on Big Show who is great at going up for that stuff, so that should get over as a signature spot......but he doesn't do any real impressive power stuff, and he doesn't have if you ripped his face off he might be a terminator physique That's the stuff that really got Goldberg over, so it's hard to compare the two just on raw basic skillsets. I think Reigns can connect much more as a character and has a cool charisma that WWE is just doing a terrible time tapping into. I think that's why they want to make him the next Cena. He's got more potential to be the next Cena than the next Batista. He could also become a much better wrestler than Goldberg was. It took Cena a while for it all to click too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Bennett Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Someone on Reddit just linked a pre-Shield Roman Reigns promo from NXT that was far, far more natural, relaxed and convincing than his recent stuff on RAW. Here for anyone who is interested. If WWE are intent on sending Reigns to the moon immediately, the money is in him as a heel, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 No one's going to sound natural and relaxed reading a script written by an old man who everyone's afraid to tell is out of touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Bennett Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 No one's going to sound natural and relaxed reading a script written by an old man who everyone's afraid to tell is out of touch. I would agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 So Savage is finally getting inducted into the WWE HOF. They'll announce it tonight. That's some odd wording in the announcement. Expected to? Not confirmed? I wonder why they aren't confirming it, can't recall them ever using their website like that. Finally the man will get in. I feel kinda cheated in a way thats its not actually Randy accepting the award and doing a speech. It just makes me appreciate even more that Warrior came to terms with WWE before he passed away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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