Matt D Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Haven't been able to find anyone else to watch this yet, but it's from a few days ago and I really dug it. Double FIP, with Ambrose an absolute beast on the apron and with a really strong hot tag and with Rusev and Harper working very well together. The finish is probably a LITTLE too simplistic for it to be a MOTYC for WWE but in some ways that's actually a strength. It was the right finishing stretch for the crowd. Watch it and provide thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Bennett Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Hasn't Austin claimed lately that he's in good ring shape?In 2011, Steve Austin was quoted as saying "I could still wrestle for two years at about 90-95 percent of what I used to give."I should have included Steve meant "90-95%" on the full time schedule as well, which helped add fuel to the "Austin's coming back for Mania" fire that's been burning for quite a few years now. If money is right they're all in-ring shape. Every aspect of a money match today is so canned that Andre The Giant could work Jolly The Green Giant.Agreed and with the right opponent and story I wouldn't rule WM 32 in Dallas at all (not that Steve would admit it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 So what are you guys' thoughts on the Goldust/Stardust break up? I thought they kind of dropped the ball on Cody becoming Stardust because they never really did anything with it but I'm actually kind of interested to see how things are going to play out with the Rhodes family reunion on Raw. Goldust taking off the paint to try and bring his brother back from insanity would be a pretty cool way to finish up his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwxwce Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Haven't been able to find anyone else to watch this yet, but it's from a few days ago and I really dug it. Double FIP, with Ambrose an absolute beast on the apron and with a really strong hot tag and with Rusev and Harper working very well together. The finish is probably a LITTLE too simplistic for it to be a MOTYC for WWE but in some ways that's actually a strength. It was the right finishing stretch for the crowd. Watch it and provide thoughts. complete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Thanks, hopefully the Zayn matches show up too because I want to see the crowd's reaction to him and i'm curious to see Cena vs Barrett too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bierschwale Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 I really want a Harper/Rusev team now. Make Harper into the "Redneck Rasputin". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostka Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 That was a great match. Thanks for posting. I agree on the Rusev/Harper team. They were great heels together here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 If Shawn comes back it must be to put over a talent that needs it No just no. If Shawn comes back it needs to be for the right reasons alough hes had a great career and doesnt need to return. He had his retirement match. If he did come back to wrestle the one guy id pick is Rock. Dude do you understand how the wrestling business works. Older talent puts over new talent to create stars. You should lose your Dr. title for being so wrong . Id rather older talent not put new ones over and just sting to new vs new. Sorry if you dont like it but I just hate the idea of a fav of mine jobbing out to someone who cant lace his boots. We dont need another legacy being tarnished like Slaughters. If new guys are that talented they dont need a old star to make them good. HBK vs Rock is a dream match, I cant say the same thing for Sting vs HHH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheapshot Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 If Shawn comes back it must be to put over a talent that needs it No just no. If Shawn comes back it needs to be for the right reasons alough hes had a great career and doesnt need to return. He had his retirement match. If he did come back to wrestle the one guy id pick is Rock. Dude do you understand how the wrestling business works. Older talent puts over new talent to create stars. You should lose your Dr. title for being so wrong . Id rather older talent not put new ones over and just sting to new vs new. Sorry if you dont like it but I just hate the idea of a fav of mine jobbing out to someone who cant lace his boots. We dont need another legacy being tarnished like Slaughters. If new guys are that talented they dont need a old star to make them good. HBK vs Rock is a dream match, I cant say the same thing for Sting vs HHH. I don't think you get it. Historically, older talent has put over young talent for obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Austin vs. Daniel Bryan would be great in the ring though...or so we think/hope anyway. We're probably talking at best, something similar to Punk vs. Taker at Wrestlemania XXIX. Bryan (the Punk in this scenario) would be doing all the hard physical work, taking the big bumps, wheras Austin (the Taker in this scenario) would hit his high spots, work a mostly mat based style with minimal bumps centred around his danger spots (the neck in Austin's case) and rely on crowd reaction and match heat to enhance his shortcomings. My head is going to explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 If Shawn comes back it must be to put over a talent that needs it No just no. If Shawn comes back it needs to be for the right reasons alough hes had a great career and doesnt need to return. He had his retirement match. If he did come back to wrestle the one guy id pick is Rock. Dude do you understand how the wrestling business works. Older talent puts over new talent to create stars. You should lose your Dr. title for being so wrong . Id rather older talent not put new ones over and just sting to new vs new. Sorry if you dont like it but I just hate the idea of a fav of mine jobbing out to someone who cant lace his boots. We dont need another legacy being tarnished like Slaughters. If new guys are that talented they dont need a old star to make them good. HBK vs Rock is a dream match, I cant say the same thing for Sting vs HHH. Your wrestling business acumen is definitely worthy of you getting your license revoked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 For as easy as it is to slag on WWE, they'll give us a week with Sin Cara/Cesaro, Owens/Zayn, the NXT four way, the Tag Team Turmoil, and Cena/Ambrose vs Harper/Rusev. That's all in one week over four different shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheapshot Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 For as easy as it is to slag on WWE, they'll give us a week with Sin Cara/Cesaro, Owens/Zayn, the NXT four way, the Tag Team Turmoil, and Cena/Ambrose vs Harper/Rusev. That's all in one week over four different shows. I don't think the in-ring has been the issue though, overall. It's been more the general direction of the product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Iamthedoctor, what benefit would be provided from old vs. old facing each other besides some warmed over nostalgia that doesn't fill the void of the wrestling business being a continuous cycle? I also would be intrigued to know who from this era can't lace the boots of the legends you are projecting up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastic Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Hasn't Austin claimed lately that he's in good ring shape? In 2011, Steve Austin was quoted as saying "I could still wrestle for two years at about 90-95 percent of what I used to give." So why didn't he? This is what bothers me... Austin could easily command a Lesnar style contract (huge salary, perks that break with the norm, a limited schedule, guaranteed PPV main events and a possible title run, etc, etc) to return to WWE in a wrestling capacity. We have to assume that either he doesn't need the money (which is probably not the reason, given the likes of Sting, Taker, Lesnar, etc are all financially set for life, have enormous property portfolios and extensive royalties), isn't actually anywhere near the physical condition necessary to wrestle even one more match, or fears compromising his physical wellbeing should any more in ring activities lead to injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheapshot Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Austin has always been worried about how he'd be perceived by people, peers and fans alike. He's stated that if he came back, he'd have to perform to the same standard he did before he retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Flair is booked for Raw tonight and will do a segment with Hunter going over his history with Sting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Thanks, hopefully the Zayn matches show up too because I want to see the crowd's reaction to him and i'm curious to see Cena vs Barrett too. This is the most fancam-iest fancam ever, but: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 For all of you fantasy bookers out there who are lining up your next five Undertaker WrestleMania opponents, your one last Hulk Hogan run, your wish for Steve Austin to risk permanent paralysis, your total unwillingness to accept MAJOR factors such as age, injuries, career ending surgeries: You should surrender all complaining rights if these matches actually happen. It bothers me that people who realistically expect these things are the same ones complaining when Bret Hart vs. Vince McMahon isn't a good "match." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 You're right Chief, but it is how wrestling audiences have been conditioned for a long time between everyone coming out of retirement over and over and all of the Wrestlemania one-off appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 If Shawn comes back it must be to put over a talent that needs it No just no. If Shawn comes back it needs to be for the right reasons alough hes had a great career and doesnt need to return. He had his retirement match. If he did come back to wrestle the one guy id pick is Rock. Dude do you understand how the wrestling business works. Older talent puts over new talent to create stars. You should lose your Dr. title for being so wrong . Id rather older talent not put new ones over and just sting to new vs new. Sorry if you dont like it but I just hate the idea of a fav of mine jobbing out to someone who cant lace his boots. We dont need another legacy being tarnished like Slaughters. If new guys are that talented they dont need a old star to make them good. HBK vs Rock is a dream match, I cant say the same thing for Sting vs HHH. I don't think you get it. Historically, older talent has put over young talent for obvious reasons. But why though. Surely they can get over without relying on the older stars and it probably wouldnt make a difference a decade from now when fans look back on some match. It doesnt hurt to have a odd match where a Legend wrestles a legend on a PPV thats considered a dream match. Its like saying does Taker really need to job to Wyatt at Mania because hes over anyway. Its just a shame WWE doesnt have the same confidence in Cesaro or Axel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 He is not over though to that extent. If all you do is have legend vs. legend matches in marquee positions with everyone underneath that, how can they ever be elevated. Will everyone wake up one day and suddenly believe that the underneath stars are now legends? Wrestling has been a time honored position where older stars had to be phased out and newer stars pushed into their position. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't but this has been the cycle of what has been successful for over a hundred years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 For all of you fantasy bookers out there who are lining up your next five Undertaker WrestleMania opponents, your one last Hulk Hogan run, your wish for Steve Austin to risk permanent paralysis, your total unwillingness to accept MAJOR factors such as age, injuries, career ending surgeries: You should surrender all complaining rights if these matches actually happen. It bothers me that people who realistically expect these things are the same ones complaining when Bret Hart vs. Vince McMahon isn't a good "match." There were plenty of ways to put that match together differently to make it more effective though, even without anything more strenuous being done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 For all of you fantasy bookers out there who are lining up your next five Undertaker WrestleMania opponents, your one last Hulk Hogan run, your wish for Steve Austin to risk permanent paralysis, your total unwillingness to accept MAJOR factors such as age, injuries, career ending surgeries: You should surrender all complaining rights if these matches actually happen. It bothers me that people who realistically expect these things are the same ones complaining when Bret Hart vs. Vince McMahon isn't a good "match." There were plenty of ways to put that match together differently to make it more effective though, even without anything more strenuous being done. I agree. They really needed to shave ten minutes off that thing. I do think a great worker can go with some tools missing from his toolbox. We've got hundreds of examples of guys working through muscle tears, broken bones, etc. However, I think if you have an injury or condition that prohibits you from taking a single bump without risking serious brain damage, paralysis or death, you just shouldn't be wrestling at all. Not a smoke and mirrors match, not "working around" a stroke, nothing. It's not how I want to remember any of these guys and it's kind of uncomfortable to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Iamthedoctor, what benefit would be provided from old vs. old facing each other besides some warmed over nostalgia that doesn't fill the void of the wrestling business being a continuous cycle? I also would be intrigued to know who from this era can't lace the boots of the legends you are projecting up. I actually agree with his point, at least in regards to Austin. If Austin is coming back for one last match, it's going to be a tribute and celebration of his career. He hasn't wrestled since 2003. Nobody wants to see him come back and lose. C'mon. There isn't any money in that IMO, when you've got this legend who still makes them money just selling merch and being in video games, who's podcasts on the network pop bigger viewership #'s than anything else on it. I see someone in this thread talking about Bryan and Austin as a dream match......who is that a dream match to? What planet? Bryan and Austin makes no sense. Bryan beating Austin makes no sense. I see Bryan and HBK as a dream match and Bryan going over and getting a rub from that......Bryan and Austin has never been a match that I thought "oh I want to see that!" If Austin comes back for one more match, at Cowboy stadium for what will likely be a record breaking WM......the only match that makes sense to me is Taker as a double retirement. Hogan is the only other "dream match" but that match is never happening, and I wouldn't want to see it happen at this point. I can see Austin being in good enough shape to have one more good match......Hogan should never ever be wrestling again And Austin isn't going to be one of those guys who retires and comes back. He hasn't wrestled in over a decade. If he comes back it's just a one last time ride into the sunset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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