El-P Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Jay Strongbow sucked shit for a long time, though some swear he was good early in his career Apparently he also sucked at being an agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Harris Brothers were generally terrible. But they were at least booked as legit threats as Raven's henchmen vs. Dreamer & co. in ECW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzombie1988 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Harris Brothers were generally terrible. But they were at least booked as legit threats as Raven's henchmen vs. Dreamer & co. in ECW.I liked them in Memphis against the Moondogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruiserBrody Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Mr Fuji  Is it sacrilege to say Baba after 84?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 There's a Fuji vs Morales match from the mid 70s where he's actually pretty impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negro Suave Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 I'd say Brian Christopher. Hey got away for a very long time being mediocre to bad at best because he was Jerry's kid. Â Steve McMichael got away with being awful forever even as a member of the horsemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Mr Fuji  Is it sacrilege to say Baba after 84?? Was Baba really put in a ton of positions past that point where he "had to be good" and not just some dude?  It's one of the things I find fascinating about him as a booker. He actually got out of the way at some point more or less, which is pretty rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Steve McMichael got away with being awful forever even as a member of the horsemen. The thing that people forget about McMicheal, is that he was a banged up 39 years old ex-football player when he debuted. He was an old rookie thrown on live TV every week, it's not like he could have been that much better unless he was some kind of miracle worker. I mean, most wrestler suck during their very early years, only rare exceptions are very good from the get go like Akiyama, Owen or Mika Akino. I always thought he did pretty decently considering those factors. Yes, he wasn't good, but in a tag setting paired up with guys like Arn, Benoit or Jarrett, he did well enough to me. Plus he had charisma and a strong personnality so he didn't look out of place. He wrestled for what, two years and a half ? Â On the other hand, Brian Knobbs was trained the old fashion way (I mean as opposed as going through the terrible Power Plant), got though territories, worked a thousands of matches and yet was still as clueless, awkward and dangerous after 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted February 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 I'd say Brian Christopher. Hey got away for a very long time being mediocre to bad at best because he was Jerry's kid.This feels like we're getting into the territory of "name guys I don't like" now. Brian Christopher is definitely not up there with the likes of Jay Strongbow, Blackjack Mulligan or Ox Baker where you almost NEVER saw them do anything good. The point of this thread was to name guys who were ON TOP or near it that had long runs while never being good. Guys like the Harris Bros or Mongo don't really fit the criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Yeah Brian Christopher is a great wrestler. Hell he was awesome the couple of times he showed up in 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Baba after 84 had some matches that were absolute classics. He was even pretty good in 1995 in the hour long six man draw on the Carnival tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 I think Baba after 84 is light years ahead of some of the old guys we've seen in AWA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted February 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 I think Baba after 84 is light years ahead of some of the old guys we've seen in AWA.I fucking hate Mad Dog. At least while Baba might have been selling awkwardly he would still sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 I actually found Old Baba totally hypnotic when I first started seeing early 90's All Japan (which was where I started from), but I get why a lot hate that shit with the fury of a thousand suns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpchicago23 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 I'd say Brian Christopher. Hey got away for a very long time being mediocre to bad at best because he was Jerry's kid. Â Steve McMichael got away with being awful forever even as a member of the horsemen. Â Mcmichael wasn't bad at all for what he was. Really great natural charisma decent power offense and had a fun feud with wcw era jarrett. I think he had a fun Goldberg match too and the Kevin Greene tag was fun. Â Â Â Christopher is Memphis personified much like Jamie dundee but not as good and that's why I fucking live him. I never thought of him as actively bad or anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzombie1988 Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Baba after 84 had some matches that were absolute classics. He was even pretty good in 1995 in the hour long six man draw on the Carnival tape.Baba 1994 was awesome. He was so great in the tag league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Cibernetico and Electroshock from AAA are the two worst long time headliners in the history of lucha libre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJH Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Vince McMahon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Is it sacrilege to say Baba after 84?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLNU6Pm18hc  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SC-5Iv0jk8  Yes... it's sacrilege.  John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Vince McMahon? Vince McMahon was in one of the better tv matches of the year last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 1990s Jimmy Valiant. Just watch any of the matches on the 90's set. Hell, he's still wrestling to this day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted February 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 I almost feel like this is such a stock "internet smark" answer but at this point Great Khali has been in WWE since 2006. He's had no more than a handful of matches that you could even call "good." It's to the point where "who had a better match with Khali" gets trotted out when people are comparing top guys in WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Vince McMahon? You'll probably get crucified for it, but yeah. Never thought he was worth a damn as a worker. Hated pretty much every thing I've seen him involved in as a"wrestler". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 I almost feel like this is such a stock "internet smark" answer but at this point Great Khali has been in WWE since 2006. He's had no more than a handful of matches that you could even call "good." It's to the point where "who had a better match with Khali" gets trotted out when people are comparing top guys in WWE. On the flipside, my thinking is that for such an immobile guy, he has had an astonishing number of good matches. An advantage of the over-saturation of wrestling on WWE TV, I guess. But once you add up all of the guys who have dragged something out of him over the years - Taker, Cena, Umaga, Hunter, Jeff, Shawn, Sheamus, Dolph, Henry, Finlay, just off the top of my head, and I think it adds up to more than a handful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Has Raven been mentioned in this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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