tim Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 Now of course there will be no REALLY universally enjoyable matches that EVERYONE who has any interest in wrestling will like, but there should be some that come pretty close. The Ultraman/Solar/Astro v. Hermoso/Greco/Reyna match from the Lucha set got me thinking about it. That match is just a total blast; big dives, fast paced sequences, great comedy moments and doesn't let up or overstay its welcome. Seems like a match you could show just about anyone who has any interest in wrestling and they'd enjoy watching it. So what are some other great examples of near universally enjoyable matches? The big 10 man tag from RAW in 2000 should be up there. Big feel, lots of "names" of the time involved, fast pace, some cool dynamics and lots of fun spots in succession and a nuclear crowd. Even stereotypical workrate fans tend to give that match a lot of praise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 I'd imagine that Magnum vs Tully "I Quit" in the cage is pretty universal. It's even more awesome knowing the full story, which is an incredible story, but without it it's obvious that these two guys hate each other, Tully is the bad guy, Magnum is the good guy, and that the match is important. Especially the end where Tully is bloody and crying and has quit and Magnum is standing over him holding Tully by the hair in one hand and the wood shard in the other. Magnum throwing both Tully and the shard aside, tossing HIS belt over his shoulder and leaving the cage with a backward disgusted glance at Tully? It's the greatest bit of storytelling that's communicated without explanation EVER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 2/4/94 M PRo 6 man tag Midnights vs. RNR Express WrestleWar 90 Flair vs. Funk GAB 89 Those are the first three that popped into my head of really fun matches that can be watched in any mood and don't require a half hour time commitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlittlekitten Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 Austin Vs Bret Mania 13 Funk vs Hansen 4 14 83 Royal Rumble 1992 Lawler vs Funk No DQ Impossible to not love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 I wonder if anyone would dislike Martel vs Funk from PR. That's sort of my go to match for people who are casual if I want to show them something wildly enjoyable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ridge Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 I always felt like Bret versus Austin at WrestleMania was one of those universally loved matches. To the point I'd be shocked if anyone didn't like that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 I concluded some time ago that Hansen/Kawada from 2/28/93 was the match with the most universal appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 When I think of universal in its broadest sense and the sort of match that would appeal and make sense to anyone, even non-fans, for some reason my mind goes to Bobby Heenan. So "a Bobby Heenan match" would be my answer. If we're talking strictly wrestling fans, then it's a really hard question. My answer would still probably be "a Bobby Heenan match". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickHithouse Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 I second Bret-Austin, Magnum-Tully, and MX vs RnR from WrestleWar 90. Piper-Valentine from Starrcade has been a big hit with pretty much everyone I've show it to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverwidow Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 5/92 Kobashi/Kikuchi vs. Kroffat/Furnas The crowd obviously plays a big role, but the action is so freaking hot as well. Letter perfect in every way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 I can't see anything other than big time attitude era and beyond Wrestlemania matches having anything close to universal appeal. Many Americans think that Lucha looks coreographed, and some Japanese that it looks weak. Mexican fans think that 80s American wrestling and 90s Japanese heavyweight wrestling is way too slow, and in the case of Japan, colorless. There are many other cliches like that, even among superfans of one country or style. WWE seems to be the only thing that gets appreciated even by the Mexican and Japanese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lust Hogan Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 Hogan vs. Warrior Wrestlemania 6 is what came to mind first for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan4L Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 the first Fujita Jr. Hayato vs. Koji Kanemoto match seemed to get unaminous praise from everyone that saw it. 13 minutes, clear story, clear roles, a crowd reacting exactly as you would want them to and solid believable action. And it's not too gruesomely stiff that people who don't like that would be put off. 2/4/94 M PRo 6 man tag just watched this again recently and talked about it on my Michinoku Pro show last week. We described it as non-stop smiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachchaos Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 Hansen vs. Andre. The Empty Arena Match. The Tupelo Concession Stand Brawl. The Retirement Match (Terry Funk, Savage-Warrior, Michaels-Flair). These are matches you can show to people who have no interest in wrasslin' at all. Either the violence or the drama will hook them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 the first Fujita Jr. Hayato vs. Koji Kanemoto match seemed to get unaminous praise from everyone that saw it. 13 minutes, clear story, clear roles, a crowd reacting exactly as you would want them to and solid believable action. And it's not too gruesomely stiff that people who don't like that would be put off. 2/4/94 M PRo 6 man tag just watched this again recently and talked about it on my Michinoku Pro show last week. We described it as non-stop smiles. Yep I was pleased as punch that was one of the matches the you and Dean discussed. Another one I thought about was Rockers vs. Powers of Pain 1/15/90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbaugh Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 I'd imagine that Magnum vs Tully "I Quit" in the cage is pretty universal. It's even more awesome knowing the full story, which is an incredible story, but without it it's obvious that these two guys hate each other, Tully is the bad guy, Magnum is the good guy, and that the match is important. Especially the end where Tully is bloody and crying and has quit and Magnum is standing over him holding Tully by the hair in one hand and the wood shard in the other. Magnum throwing both Tully and the shard aside, tossing HIS belt over his shoulder and leaving the cage with a backward disgusted glance at Tully? It's the greatest bit of storytelling that's communicated without explanation EVER. That is my personal favorite match ever, so I tried to get my wife to watch it in the hopes she would get hooked, or at least slightly interested. She just got grossed out by the blood and machismo and was even more confused about wrestling than before! The only match she has watched that she actually enjoyed was the first HBK vs. Taker Wrestlemania match -- I had like 20 people over at our house because it was on my birthday and everybody was hooked, even though half of the people there didn't give a shit about wrestling. Maybe that meets the criteria for this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concrete1992 Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Magnum vs Tully I Quit Steel Cage!!! Probably my favorite match ever. First watched it on the WWE Bloodbath: Wrestling's Most Incredible Steel Cage Matches DVD. I was about 10 at the time. Totally unique to what I had seen at that point. THAT HATE! It just comes across so well that it is hard for a fan to not get enamored by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 I think we're starting to conflate matches just about any wrestling fan would enjoy and matches even non-fans would enjoy. They're two different things. Here's an outside the box pick for both: Hogan/Rock at WM18. It has two stars everyone has heard of, the action is simple and easy to follow, and the crowd is molten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR Ackermann Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 I feel like wrestling fans and non-wrestling fans can really get into the Mankind vs Shawn Michaels match from Mind Games. Everyone I've watched it with has always enjoyed it whether they were wrestling fans or not. Its got a good pace, it's action-packed with enough high-spots to hold interest for the attention span challenged, and it has stars that are recognizable enough to most people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan4L Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Magnum vs Tully I Quit Steel Cage!!! Probably my favorite match ever. First watched it on the WWE Bloodbath: Wrestling's Most Incredible Steel Cage Matches DVD. I was about 10 at the time. Totally unique to what I had seen at that point. THAT HATE! It just comes across so well that it is hard for a fan to not get enamored by it. that's where I first saw it too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 If I had to go for a non-Bobby Heenan match, that one with the Gorilla from Mid-South, DiBiase and Borne vs. JYD and Mr. Olympia. It doesn't have blood so won't gross any one out. It's super-simple to understand. It has intrigue. It has a hot crowd. It has a super hero (JYD) and a super villain (Ted). It's the sort of match that you can point to and say "this is pro wrestling". Anyone who doesn't like it isn't my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 There is no such thing as a universally enjoyable match, which is a good thing. If they did exist, how boring would this board be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 I was waiting for someone to point this out. I'm glad Loss is the one who finally did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Wrestling fandom goes post-modern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted September 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 There is no such thing as a universally enjoyable match, which is a good thing. If they did exist, how boring would this board be?Well yeah, but I do think there are some matches that will appeal to an exceptionally large cross section of both hardcore and casual fans, maybe even some to a "vast" majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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