JerryvonKramer Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 http://placetobenation.com/pwo-ptbn-roundtable-wwe-coms-top-50-heels-in-wrestling-history-part-1/ Inspired by the Squared Circle Gazette Radio's recent show on the same topic, Parv (Titans of Wrestling, Where the Big Boys Play), Will (Good Will Wrestling, Wrestling with the Past), Johnny (Titans of Wrestling), and Steven Graham (Pro Wrestling Super Show) converge for this epic one-off roundtable to provide an alternative take on WWE.com's Top 50 Heels in Wrestling History. In this first part, they run through 50 down to 21. Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night. 50. Batista 49. Randy Savage 48. Vickie Guerrero 47. Mark Henry 46. The Iron Sheik 45. Andre The Giant 44. Eric Bischoff 43. Eddie Guerrero 42. Brock Lesnar 41. Kane 40. Don Muraco 39. The Dudley Boyz 38. CM Punk 37. Ernie Ladd 36. Ivan Koloff 35. Paul Heyman 34. Abdullah The Butcher 33. Terry Funk 32. Randy Orton 31. Kevin Sullivan 30. Jerry Lawler 29. Raven 28. The Fabulous Moolah 27. Paul Orndorff 26. Nick Bockwinkel 25. Vader 24. Harley Race 23. Sgt. Slaughter 22. The Undertaker 21. Freddie Blassie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 It was a fun time, even if I did podcasts from 6 to 12:30 that night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 I see some WWE approved guys listed that I know you guys are gonna have a field day with, can't wait to listen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Holy shit. Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Thinking about it, one of the reasons I could never get behind thinking Terry Funk was a top ten heel is cause if my Dad was a wrestler he'd be Terry Funk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 That would be precisely one of the reasons I had Dick Murdoch so high as a heel ... he reminds me of my father. Daddy issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 A preview for Part 2... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Yessssssss. Can't wait to hear this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Really enjoyed this one, guys. Roll on part two... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Almost finished Part 1 - two quick notes: - Bravo to Parv to no-sell that stinky bait Will was fishing with around Dory - The heel run Johnny was talking about with the Undertaker was post invasion and through the summer of 2002. This included matches with RVD, The Rock, Hogan (title change) and most notably Ric Flair at Mania x8. He was an excellent heel there and I think this coupled in with his role in the corporate ministry during the attitude era is what got him on the list. Not saying all together this is top 50 worthy, but guessing that's why they included him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliott Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Really entertaining show, guys! Looking forward to part 2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Almost finished Part 1 - two quick notes: - Bravo to Parv to no-sell that stinky bait Will was fishing with around Dory - The heel run Johnny was talking about with the Undertaker was post invasion and through the summer of 2002. This included matches with RVD, The Rock, Hogan (title change) and most notably Ric Flair at Mania x8. He was an excellent heel there and I think this coupled in with his role in the corporate ministry during the attitude era is what got him on the list. Not saying all together this is top 50 worthy, but guessing that's why they included him. Dory blows. Parv no sold it because he didn't have a proper answer. As for the Taker heel run.. .what a pile of garbage. The Hogan match was horrible. The RVD matches were fun with RVD bouncing around and flying from rafters. I don't recall any good Rock-Taker matches and the Flair match was way over-rated back when it happened and it didn't hold up last time I saw it. Felt like overbooked garbage. I think they included him because Taker is their icon. He is on every single list they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 The best Taker heel stuff was his stuff with Jeff Hardy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Almost finished Part 1 - two quick notes: - Bravo to Parv to no-sell that stinky bait Will was fishing with around Dory - The heel run Johnny was talking about with the Undertaker was post invasion and through the summer of 2002. This included matches with RVD, The Rock, Hogan (title change) and most notably Ric Flair at Mania x8. He was an excellent heel there and I think this coupled in with his role in the corporate ministry during the attitude era is what got him on the list. Not saying all together this is top 50 worthy, but guessing that's why they included him. r. As for the Taker heel run.. .what a pile of garbage. Wrong. You stink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheapshot Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Really fun show. I really enjoyed the baiting of Steven for being a Canadian. Had some laugh out loud moments. Good effort guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Maybe I'm an outlier but I enjoyed Taker/Flair when I rewatched it this summer. Flair did his part given his limitations, bled like a champ and we even arguably the last non-throwaway Arn moment. I was pleasantly surprised. Not a classic or anything anyone should hang their hat on, but not something I'd fast forward through either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Almost finished Part 1 - two quick notes: - Bravo to Parv to no-sell that stinky bait Will was fishing with around Dory - The heel run Johnny was talking about with the Undertaker was post invasion and through the summer of 2002. This included matches with RVD, The Rock, Hogan (title change) and most notably Ric Flair at Mania x8. He was an excellent heel there and I think this coupled in with his role in the corporate ministry during the attitude era is what got him on the list. Not saying all together this is top 50 worthy, but guessing that's why they included him. Dory blows. Parv no sold it because he didn't have a proper answer. As for the Taker heel run.. .what a pile of garbage. The Hogan match was horrible. The RVD matches were fun with RVD bouncing around and flying from rafters. I don't recall any good Rock-Taker matches and the Flair match was way over-rated back when it happened and it didn't hold up last time I saw it. Felt like overbooked garbage. I think they included him because Taker is their icon. He is on every single list they do. I also want to say since coming back in 2004, while officially a baby face, he always straddled that "chaotic neutral" label to borrow from RPGs. So that's probably added to the mix, that he may be a face, but he still went after fellow faces when warranted (usually for title shots and title matches and generally his opponent would take on a heelish role (see Shawn Michaels in the lead up to the WM XXVI match), and even went after refs. So he kind of was in his own little bubble as neither a heel, nor a true baby face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. B.B. Rogers Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Great show! Really enjoyed every bit of it and can't wait for part two. I do have to agree that some of those names don't belong anywhere near this list (Kane most notably) and while Eddie was a great heel, I can see Steven's point of thinking of him as a babyface first. However, as with Savage, I think both he and Eddie crossed over into that "so good they're beloved" areas where it became very hard to think of them as heels. BikerTaker was a great idea to freshen up the character, and while it was overbooked, what wasn't at that time? I think it's the phase in Taker's character that really allowed him to grow as an in-ring talent and got him beyond that "punch, kick, choke" style that had dominated the early years of his career. Plus, once the gimmick was done, he was able to return as the "Deadman" and cement his "we'll-cheer-him-no-matter-what" legend status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 I watched Blassie and Rikidozan from LA. Blassie was an incredible heel in this match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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