JerryvonKramer Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I think there's a perception that Tenta and Gang are fat guys of the slob variety, whereas Yoko has always been hailed as an 'athletic' big man. Yoko is the big man for the workrate fan. Not surprised at all he outranked them. I guess based more on the talk during the project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Chris Candido at #85 to me, and the drawing line to : okay, maybe not enough body of work to call them one of the top 100, but I want to represent them. Contrary to Dylan, Candido's stint in ECW made his stock rise with me. His SMW work, although he was green, was more positive to add to his resume. I also enjoyed his post ECW/WCW indy work, as random as it was. Of course, he doesn't have the great matches. His death was really a stupid tragedy. Kohsaka at #91, because he's half of my favourite match of all time. If I had a more complete overlook on his career, he may have been higher, or not represented at all. Probably higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Bradshaw, fucking hell. Most of his votes should probably be added to Eddie Guerrero's total since he is taken seriously almost entirely on the basis of that match. Luke Harper and Earthquake over Yamada or even Morishima is pretty crazy to me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Bradshaw, fucking hell. Most of his votes should probably be added to Eddie Guerrero's total since he is taken seriously almost entirely on the basis of that match. Luke Harper and Earthquake over Yamada or even Morishima is pretty crazy to me as well. Are you discounting Harper's indie run? I took Tenta over Yamada and Morishima, as both of those didn't make my list and Tenta did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conker8 Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 A bit disappointed by the rank of Lizmark. With the Lucha Set and his recent death, I really think he would have rate higher. Surprised that the Golden Era workers will have good ranks but I don't see anyone in the top 100, even Lou Thesz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Bradshaw, fucking hell. Most of his votes should probably be added to Eddie Guerrero's total since he is taken seriously almost entirely on the basis of that match. Luke Harper and Earthquake over Yamada or even Morishima is pretty crazy to me as well. Are you discounting Harper's indie run? I took Tenta over Yamada and Morishima, as both of those didn't make my list and Tenta did. Only seen a couple of indie matches IIRC from Luke Harper so if he is in there on the basis of that stuff, fair enough. I can't imagine anyone thinking Tenta was a better fat guy than Morishima for anything other than childhood nostalgia - on the simple metric of great matches he lags for behind for a start. Morishima has more athleticism, energy, better on offence, better bumper. Hard to compare as the two styles they work are about as vastly different as you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I honestly don't remember any Lizmark stuff from the 80s set. There are a ton of guys that stand out from that set to me but he isn't one of them. Adrian Street is another guy gone off my list. He did pretty good for a guy from his era who had no votes in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Also, Rick Steiner & Robin Green is one of wrestling's greatest love stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I don't think he said it was ONLY based on 10 or so match. It seemed like just an abbreviated point. I think Rick has a really cool little case. I see him as a reasonable bottom of the list guy if you value tag wresting a lot, like that they had sort of a unique set of moves for their time and place, and especially if you value how his unique face character was brought into the working of the matches themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I should eventually check out Noble's ROH run because him being on 12 ballots seems crazy and I'm about as big a fan of his WWE run as there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Let's just be diplomatic and say some people weighted "number of great matches" more heavily than others when putting together their ballot. Like I can't really say I've seen any GREAT Adrian Street matches but I've seen some great performances of Adrian Street being Adrian Street. That's probably the best assessment. Number of great matches being weighted so heavily bugged me a lot, especially if it was more important than how someone performs. Some people were just in positions to have a TON of great matches and to have those seen by a lot of people. Others did not. The folks who didn't get those chances aren't necessarily worse than those who did. Being in position means they still have to take advantage of that opportunity. And doing so may very well be why they're so often put in such a position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I should eventually check out Noble's ROH run because him being on 12 ballots seems crazy and I'm about as big a fan of his WWE run as there is. I am a bit of an ROH mark, at least until probably 2010 or so, but I thought it was very solid. Not a lot of it stands out as elite or anything, but had some good matches and really shined at times. I think his best overall performance was probably the 4 way match, followed by the title match with Dragon (surprise surprise). It is worth checking into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Boricua Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Adrian Street is the 16th person from my ballot to drop. not sure how many will still be left when we hit the top 200. At this rate, it appears Dean and I might have good ballot similarity scores (don't know what to make of that). All glory to the HypnoSheik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Scott Norton, The Barbarian, One Man Gang, Jacques Rougeau, Yokozuna, Don Muraco, John Tenta & Jamie Noble are all on my list. I have also not been the sole voter on any of them, so I'm feeling pretty good so far. This has been really fun! I'm really glad that I participated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 The second person from the 2006 top 100 has dropped off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eegah Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Im saddened that the Iron Sheik was only on 7 ballots. I was almost the high vote on him, love the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Was that Dump who ranked in 2006 Grimmas?Girlies are dropping like flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Was that Dump who ranked in 2006 Grimmas? Girlies are dropping like flies. Yep, she was 79 last time. Joshi fandom was at an all-time high in 2006... it isn't now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Im saddened that the Iron Sheik was only on 7 ballots. I was almost the high vote on him, love the guy. He was my 101, one place above the Rock at 102. There was a moment on the WTBBP special where I think Chad thought he was going to come in at 100 but I rescued Ron Garvin and then aftrer the show remebered that Buddy Rose should have been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Im saddened that the Iron Sheik was only on 7 ballots. I was almost the high vote on him, love the guy. He was my 101, one place above the Rock at 102. There was a moment on the WTBBP special where I think Chad thought he was going to come in at 100 but I rescued Ron Garvin and then aftrer the show remebered that Buddy Rose should have been there. You mean Buddy Rhodes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Dump Matsumoto seems crazily low. Not one of my all time favorite joshi workers but thought she would be Top 150 for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Joshi fandom was at an all-time high in 2006... it isn't now. Nah. In 1999, yeah. But in 2006, us joshi pimps already were a (vocal) minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Was that Dump who ranked in 2006 Grimmas? Girlies are dropping like flies. Yep, she was 79 last time. Joshi fandom was at an all-time high in 2006... it isn't now. To be fair I think Joshi fandom was long in decline even then - it is just that Smarkschoice was pretty much the house board for that style. Edit: Snap, El-P above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Dump is a weird case because even the people who were all in on joshi didn't seem that high on ranking her this time around in her thread or the joshi thread. I do think it also says a lot about the state of joshi fandom from then to now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Another strong joshi worker bites the dust. Hyuga. From my memories from her early years as Tomoko Kuzumi + the beginning of Hyuga, she placed #58 in my list. Had I followed joshi in the 00's and beyond, from what I can tell, she would have gone much much higher. Terrific worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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