Grimmas Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Part 1: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/33786-reactions-to-the-list/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Another from the 2006 list is gone, that's three. The first male though. I wonder why Koshinaka has dropped so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 If Tiger Mask's mask came off in 1990 and it was Bret Hart under it and he was treated the same as Misawa going forward, Bret would be the GWE! Let's keep the thread going from here because this kind of "projection" seems like something that should be discussed more especially if more people were doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 80s NJ set and yearbooks didn't reflect well on him. I think people have had it with butt offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Is there any way we can pull out Kobahsi vs. Hart stuff for its own thread. I did think we were headed in some interesting places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 If Tiger Mask's mask came off in 1990 and it was Bret Hart under it and he was treated the same as Misawa going forward, Bret would be the GWE! Let's keep the thread going from here because this kind of "projection" seems like something that should be discussed more especially if more people were doing it. That's the skill vs output discussion. We've had it two million times. Some had the skills and the opportunities. Some had the skills and no opportunities. Some had the opportunities. I value the skills more than the output. 80s NJ set and yearbooks didn't reflect well on him. I think people have had it with butt offense. LOVE the butt offense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 80s NJ set and yearbooks didn't reflect well on him. I think people have had it with butt offense. Blah. I watched a shitload of NJ from the 80's last year and Kosh was terrific. The Takada feud is classic. And in the 90's he was the miracle worker of turning shit into something fun, plus some usually strong performances on G1's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 As butt offense goes, Maximo didn't even get nominated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 MAn, I thought I had Dirty White Boy on my list. Must have been a last minute drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 80s NJ set and yearbooks didn't reflect well on him. I think people have had it with butt offense. Not me. It even seems to be going through a bit of a renaissance in modern wrestling. I'm still waiting for someone to really bring psychology to it and try to preempt the butt offense like people used to try and go after Hansen's Lariat arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 80s NJ set and yearbooks didn't reflect well on him. I think people have had it with butt offense. Blah. I watched a shitload of NJ from the 80's last year and Kosh was terrific. The Takada feud is classic. And in the 90's he was the miracle worker of turning shit into something fun, plus some usually strong performances on G1's. But butt offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Another from the 2006 list is gone, that's three. The first male though. I wonder why Koshinaka has dropped so much? I'm pretty sure I also called Koshinaka dropping off when we went through the SC list a month or so ago. Basically because I have never heard anyone talk about him or pimp him or say they'd put him in their 100. He was a total afterthought through the process. I'd have been way more surprised if he was any higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I like Koshinaka and actually agree with El-P's take on him. Not on my list, but someone I enjoy much of the time. It's just that most critique has pointed out his prolific butt offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Is there any way we can pull out Kobahsi vs. Hart stuff for its own thread. I did think we were headed in some interesting places. http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/33839-kobashi-vs-bret/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 But butt offense. I take that over a gazillion punches a match anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 80s NJ set and yearbooks didn't reflect well on him. I think people have had it with butt offense. Blah. I watched a shitload of NJ from the 80's last year and Kosh was terrific. The Takada feud is classic. And in the 90's he was the miracle worker of turning shit into something fun, plus some usually strong performances on G1's. I didn't vote for him, but Koshinaka is a guy who can turn chicken shit into chicken salad. He isn't someone who I ever go out of my way to watch, but I'm always pleasantly surprised when he shows up. I wouldn't want to watch a Koshinaka box set, but he's a huge breath of fresh air once every 50 to 100 matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Boricua Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 MAn, I thought I had Dirty White Boy on my list. Must have been a last minute drop. Hopefully when you saw the ranking you didn't accidentally only see the pic and think it was Lawler being ranked at that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I knew it wasn't Lawler. There were enough intelligent wrestling fans who had him in the Top Ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB8 Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Ono was another of mine, albeit in the bottom quarter somewhere. The 2009-2010 FUTEN run was pretty spectacular and I'm also in the "Ono/Ikeda is the best sub-5 minute match in history" camp. Koshinaka finishing in the top 100 even in 2006 sort of surprises me. I can't think of many wrestlers who have such a huge gap between their lowest lows and highest highs. He bored me to tears on the New Japan 80s set and was one of my least favourite guys on it, but then he gets older and grumpier and is often very fun during the NJ/WAR feud. Had a nice run in the '96 G1 as well, if my memory of it from the yearbook is worth anything. I enjoy watching him match up with Tenryu about as much as I don't enjoy him matching up with Takada, and it's not necessarily because his opponent is dragging him up or down a level (this is not me taking a dig at Takada, btw). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Koshinaka really flew around by the seat of his pants. Sorry, had to get that one out of me before it poisoned my brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Right now there are about 180 wrestlers listed where I'd gladly sacrifice every single bit of footage they have on tape if it means I could watch more Takeshi Ono matches. By any metric the guy kicks the shit out of anyone else listed. Except maybe Lizmark. Lizmark rules. The challenge I posted in his thread still stands: name a wrestler with a better Top 10 matches. Average vote of 70 for Rick Steiner is nuts. I mean, placing him at 99 when you really need to fill out your ballot, that's fine, but the time spent on this project could have been used to find better talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Average vote of 70 for Rick Steiner is nuts. I mean, placing him at 99 when you really need to fill out your ballot, that's fine, but this project should have been used to find better talent. I ranked 182 workers, it just so happened Rick Steiner finished there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Crackers Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I'm not surprised to see Ono, Usuda, and Greco at this point in the countdown. I'm just hoping Otsuka, Ikeda, and Ishikawa are a lot higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Only my second fallen soldier, as Dos Caras drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I will admit that I have not seen any BattlARTS stuff. Mostly because most of how it is pimped is "Man these guys are really beating the shit out of each other!" which is not something I really want out of wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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