Reactions to the List: 100-51

[soup23]

over 50% ballots for Doc and not one top 15 vote.

[MasterJonBurr]

Steve Williams is more akin to the aforementioned "one year wonder" narrative than Rude, I think. Maybe it's more like "2 territory wonder" for Williams, as I only rate his AJ run and parts of his UWF stuff. Doc made my top 200 (I made a list of 250, initially) but I didn't really consider him for GWE.

 

Now if we were listing favorites, Dr. Death is top 50 easily. Still a huge mark for all his signature spots and mannerisms.

 

Yours,

JHHBjr

[Jimmy Redman]

Tanahashi's placement should end the debate about whether the anonymous/leecher votes would change the results about this poll in a significant way. I mean, if there is one guy that should've gotten a big boost out of a "non PWO" vote was him and he only made half the ballots. And 93.2% of the voters "considered Mainstream Japanese Wrestling (AJPW, NJPW, etc...)" when submitting their list.

 

I had him at 50 but I'm happy with his ranking. How many post 2000's guys are left besides Angle, Joe, Punk, AJ and Bryan?

Cena. Brock.

[Matt D]

Williams looked real good real early in the Houston footage. I wonder if that helped him with abut one.

[Childs]

This was a good time for Doc to drop. He was my 100 but the criticisms for him are pretty similar to those for Rude.

[jpchicago23]

I personally can't wait to see the outcry when Angle finally gets revealed. I personally like a lot of his stuff but the visceral hate will be fun to watch.

[Loss]

Hey, I saw Angle do fake MMA in a cage with Samoa Joe in TNA once. And I am not a fan of real MMA, but I quite enjoy fake MMA. I look forward to revisiting him at some point. I wonder if the pendulum has gone too far in the other direction. Why can't anyone see him as a good wrestler who never quite became great because of his penchant for excess? He's either an all-time great or a waste of space.

[Jimmy Redman]

One fix to BIGLAV I should have made is a special negative category where I get to stick minus points on people for various things. Someone like Taker would end up on a negative overall score.

 

This is one thing I keep forgetting to mention.

 

You keep shitting on Taker for all the crap but he did make your Top 105 or whatever because BIGLAV didn't factor in negatives. Well I'm the same, the JIMBOB system doesn't really factor in negatives either. I focused on positives - their best work, peaks, positive attributes, lists of great matches, etc. - and didn't worry so much about anyone's negatives or bad periods. If I did, assholes like Hunter and Angle would have fucked right off.

 

I'm not saying Taker would have fucked off my list if I did, in fact I'm almost certain he'd have been on my list anyway, mainly because you and I just disagree markedly on how much bad stuff there is and how bad it really was (not to mention how good the good stuff is). But I'm just saying that when you say things like "he had some good stuff but simply mountains of crap, how can you rank him?" I'm saying I didn't think in that framework at all when making my list. I focused on the good stuff.

[goc]

Williams looked real good real early in the Houston footage. I wonder if that helped him with abut one.

It helped him with me. The Gordy Texas Death Match, getting a good Chain Match out of Angel of Death, the Dibiase tags added to the stuff from the 80s set convinced me to place him. And him pressing Eddie Gilbert over his head and then running in place will always be one of the most impressive spots in wrestling.

[Childs]

Wish Tajiri had held on past a few others, but that's a hell of a placement for him all in all.

[Jimmy Redman]

Hey, I saw Angle do fake MMA in a cage with Samoa Joe in TNA once. And I am not a fan of real MMA, but I quite enjoy fake MMA. I look forward to revisiting him at some point. I wonder if the pendulum has gone too far in the other direction. Why can't anyone see him as a good wrestler who never quite became great because of his penchant for excess? He's either an all-time great or a waste of space.

 

I ranked him, and I see him more as a guy who was an ultimately flawed wrestler who showed far too many flashes of greatness.

[jpchicago23]

Hey, I saw Angle do fake MMA in a cage with Samoa Joe in TNA once. And I am not a fan of real MMA, but I quite enjoy fake MMA. I look forward to revisiting him at some point. I wonder if the pendulum has gone too far in the other direction. Why can't anyone see him as a good wrestler who never quite became great because of his penchant for excess? He's either an all-time great or a waste of space.

 

That's a very good question. I've always liked him and was surprised at all the hate he got, especially when he started to get lumped in with guys like Triple H. He may not be the smartest worker but dog shit terrible seems a bit harsh.

[soup23]

I didn't realize Tajiri has such a huge jump from the 2006 list considering most of his case was in the rear view mirror in 2006.

[Loss]

Credit the ECW project for that one, I think.

[Grimmas]

Wish Tajiri had held on past a few others, but that's a hell of a placement for him all in all.

It's a hell of an improvement, I think he deserved higher though.

[bestintheworld3589]

Jimmy Redman you have quickly became one of my favorite people here at PWO because you think the same way I do and try to focus on the positive things about the person not the negatives.

[goc]

Hey, I saw Angle do fake MMA in a cage with Samoa Joe in TNA once. And I am not a fan of real MMA, but I quite enjoy fake MMA. I look forward to revisiting him at some point. I wonder if the pendulum has gone too far in the other direction. Why can't anyone see him as a good wrestler who never quite became great because of his penchant for excess? He's either an all-time great or a waste of space.

Watch that match with AJ I posted a page or so ago and you will see why he gets so much hate. Its beyond excess into parody.

[Dylan Waco]

Taker is better than Angle.

 

Just wanted to be that guy. More later. Carry on.

[Grimmas]

Taker is better than Angle.

 

Just wanted to be that guy. More later. Carry on.

Completely agreed. Tried to argue that, but got responses of shitty gifs.

[Matt D]

With Angle, it's a heresy thing mainly. There'll be a manifesto someday.

[bestintheworld3589]

So from today's reveals here's who all dropped off my list:
Ron Garvin (74)
Sami Zayn (69)

Cesaro (76)

Hiroshi Tanahashi (48)

The Undertaker (14 - High Vote)

Roddy Piper (32)

Steve Williams (63)

Yoshihiro Tajiri (88)

45 people left on my list

[GOTNW]

Sorry to disappoint some of you but a wrestler can either be great or terrible. No middle ground is allowed but you can jump from one opinion to the other as much as you want.

[Eegah]

Tajiri with a very good ranking, he was on my ballot. A terrific performer who could really go with anyone. I like Dr. Death but he did not make my list.

[Jimmy Redman]

 

Hey, I saw Angle do fake MMA in a cage with Samoa Joe in TNA once. And I am not a fan of real MMA, but I quite enjoy fake MMA. I look forward to revisiting him at some point. I wonder if the pendulum has gone too far in the other direction. Why can't anyone see him as a good wrestler who never quite became great because of his penchant for excess? He's either an all-time great or a waste of space.

Watch that match with AJ I posted a page or so ago and you will see why he gets so much hate. Its beyond excess into parody.

 

 

The Jeff Hardy match at No Surrender 2010 is worse. That moves beyond parody into...a match consisting entirely of finishers. I had to count them just to make sure I wasn't dreaming and there are like at least 17 finishers in the match.

[Matt D]

Tajiri came really close to making mine, and that's saying a lot. I really need to watch that Finlay match.